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Measurements for dummies…

I've been waiting for someone else to measure the sMAHL and DE120 and confirm the 5db peak around 16khz. I came up with a series notch to tame it.

I doubt my old ears can hear the difference, but my OCD compelled me to flatten it out.

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You can see this with my original plot from 9 years ago with the Super Heresy 1.0.

frankly, I’m slightly more concerned about the dip at 800Hz and 1800Hz.

Claude, do you still have that original plot? I’ve noticed that a ton on mod content and images have been removed, ostensibly to “save server space.” Your original thread is “unavailable.”
 

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frankly, I’m slightly more concerned about the dip at 800Hz and 1800Hz.

Claude, do you still have that original plot? I’ve noticed that a ton on mod content and images have been removed, ostensibly to “save server space.” Your original thread is “unavailable.”
It's a polite way of them to say they deleted it. This was a few computers ago, but I might still have the curves.
 
I noticed a few days ago, when doing a deep dive on La Scala mods from the posts here, that images had been removed, but the posts were still there. It may be that the server is simply off line, but I can’t access the baby Cornwall thread now; it was still up earlier last week. For the record, I haven’t looked to see if anything else is up.
 
frankly, I’m slightly more concerned about the dip at 800Hz and 1800Hz.
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800mhz dip is on the manufacturer plots as well with whatever horn they use. Glad to see it doesn’t fall off a cliff above 2500mhz on the k604 in your room like theirs.

Also, Klipsch forum has been down for a few hours today..
 
I'm playing around with a miniDSP 4X10 HD and REW to create an active crossover for my Klipschorns. LR 48db band pass to K55M and LR 48db high pass to Smahl DE-120. Is the spectrogram considered okay? Lot's of equalization. The tweeter is delayed 2ms vs the squawker. I'll start on the woofer when I feel I'm on the right track.

Thanks, Mike

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Not bad for a first try

PS: PWK was impressed when Roy did something similar with the Lab Khorn. But that was probably 25-30 years ago.
 
looks fab to me
look like you rolled off the tweeter. you must be young
I ran some test tones through the LS the other night.
15k still there.
18k maybe…
I turn around and my kids are sitting on the couch twitching.

Then on the way down we drop below 60Hz or so.
“Wait, where did it go?” Asked my 10 year-old.

Time to build a sub.
 
I ran some test tones through the LS the other night.
15k still there.
18k maybe…
I turn around and my kids are sitting on the couch twitching.

Then on the way down we drop below 60Hz or so.
“Wait, where did it go?” Asked my 10 year-old.

Time to build a sub.
Make sure it's horn loaded. An F-20 is an easy build and a perfect match, or get a THT LP or two and stand them up firing off the ceiling.
 
looks fab to me
look like you rolled off the tweeter. you must be young

Pushing 68 with tinnitus :(

Quite a learning curve! First I took a raw reading from 3khz to 20khz (red). I'm going to cross to it at 4500hz, so I asked REW to equalize that range. It took a few tries to get a flat predicted plot, then I manually entered the PEQ's into miniDSP. It (green) was much better that the raw plot, but not as good as the predicted. Last night I played around with the PEQ's and ended up with a better(?) result.

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It's a variable that should be measured. I had mine firing UPWRD onto a 7 foot ceiling with the flat rear on the floor, so 12" gap, but they were against single wall/ceiling not 2 wall like in a corner.

Bass below 100 Hz. have wavelengths from 11.26 to 56.3 FEET long, so they don't care much.
 
A room can influence point source speakers by as much as +/- 15 db in the far field. The bigger the horn the less effect the room has on a speaker. I know what EV Big White Horns and Altec multicell and mantaray horns do in rooms. JBL and Community horns work well, too. It might be fun to see what Jubilee horns do with that 300 + HZ crossover choice. I also know what the older Klipsch horn, La Scala and Corn wall horns do. Thats why I prefer long line arrays because they control the the dispersion effectively down close to 200 HZ so you don't need equalization voicing in most instances above 300 HZ. My shorter line arrays I have to voice up to 500 HZ to get a smooth even +/- 3 db response in the room. I also add some roll off starting above 4000 hz to 18,000 Hz to keep my ears happy. That especially applies with current B&W, Mcintosh, past Infinity and JBL speakers with ring radiators. Peaky highs and I just don't mix well together. I really liked adding Altec UHF 950's and MR 902-16 HF tweeters to the big horns in the 70's 80's and 90's that started rolling off anywhere from 9 to 12 KHZ. The distortion was very low at very high output levels and the response was flat and smooth to above 18 khz. Yes I rolled them off, too, a bit.. Congratulations to the gent who rolled off or flattened the response at 16 khz. I am very lucky as I can easily hear a difference like that.
 
Thats why I prefer long line arrays because they control the the dispersion effectively down close to 200 HZ
Long line arrays are in the PRO market not at home. Those "flying banana" sound like crap comparted to Danley Jericho horns and BC Subwoofers, so both of your generalized OPINIONS are proven wrong by FACTS. Super tweeters have traditionally rolled off at much higher than 4 Khz. Especially when you consider the age of the older listeners, who like things flatter. So YOUR house curve is only good for YOUR ears, not everyone else's.

Line Arrays, to this day, are stubbornly over sold Old Technology that still persists because they cost more, and result in bigger budgets to keep the MYTH alive (with bigger monty sales). So they fail at the "bang for buck" award versus Danley Jericho Horns with BC Subwoofer, like at Michigan State University's Football Field.

As to line arrays in the home, I have had 3 pairs of different Carver Platinums and just installed 2 different pairs of them in 2 different homes. They have open baffle woofer arrays too, below 150 Hz. with Bohlender Graebener Planar Magnetic "strips." The sound great after meticulous placement and tweaking the network from sweet spot measurements after moving leather chairs out of range. Low distortion by way of surface area, but with low sensitivities in the 86 db range, they need 100 times the amplifier power. Not a good trade IMHO, but it is an opinion, not one that masquerades as "fact" from others here and on the web.
 
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