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There seem to be two basic schools of enforcement authority, "community policing" involving constructive interaction, and adversarial policing, generating a "them vs us" interaction with a "heads-I-win, tails-you-lose" attitude.
Yep. In some areas. And I've been able to juxtapose police presence in two different neighborhoods to understand one aspect of what is going on out there:

In the Seattle area (I left 9 years ago) there were a lot of Music in the Park events. Bands would play, people would bring their own food and drink, kids, etc. Of the many I went to, I saw a stark difference between two:

One was near a lake in the Kent area. This is a middle class area which was very much in my high-school stomping grounds. The crowd was mostly young people and young families. People had coolers of pop (and beer) and were eating home made sandwiches, take out pizza, buckets of KFC, etc. The cops were walking through the crowd looking for alcohol. It was strictly forbidden. And there was some drunken carousing going on. The cops' presence was NOT welcome by the crowd and it was very much an "us vs them" thing. And when it was over, though it wasn't as bad as the Woodstock aftermath, the garbage was a bit reminiscent.

The other one was near my home on Mercer Island. It is a very upscale place. In fact, my neighbor a couple blocks down was Paul Allen. That gives a feel. FWIW, the reason I lived there was that I found a three bedroom house at a ridiculously low rent because they were planning on selling in a year.

Anyway, as with the other one, the crowd included familes, young couples and a stronger mix of elderly peoople. People had food and drink. But the drink was pop, bottled water, micro-brew beer and wine. People were drinking their wine out of Baccarat or similar crystal and a lot of guys were drinking their beer out of glasses they brought with them. There was a lot of cheese, grapes, salami and crackers as well as homemade gourmet foods, salads, dips, etc. There was some take-out pizza and KFC as well, but not as much. The cops were wandering through the crowd, stopping occasionally to visit. They were not the least bit concerned about the alcohol. It was all adults and there were not any unaccompanied teens that I saw. It was much more peaceful.

One amazing aspect was that after everyone had left, you would never have known anybody was there. EVERYONE pitched in and cleaned up. It was amazing.

Now, this is a tale of two American cultures. coexisting within a relatively short distance of each other. But one group was more mature, and could be trusted by the cops, the other had earned the police scrutiny. But here's the critical thing: The Kent site had elderly people at it as well - but a large portion of them were "still children". They had never really grown up. And they were, under the right conditions, dangerous to themselves and others. But there was none of that at the Mercer Island one. Zero. The maturity level was much higher - for all ages. And the police interaction with the folks there was on a completely different plane as well.

And the bottom line in all of this, to me, is this: If you want the better lifestyle, but live in the lower lifestyle neighborhood, you need to do two things first: 1. Grow up. 2. Get the heck out of that neighborhood at all costs.
 
Yep. In some areas. And I've been able to juxtapose police presence in two different neighborhoods to understand one aspect of what is going on out there:

In the Seattle area (I left 9 years ago) there were a lot of Music in the Park events. Bands would play, people would bring their own food and drink, kids, etc. Of the many I went to, I saw a stark difference between two:

One was near a lake in the Kent area. This is a middle class area which was very much in my high-school stomping grounds. The crowd was mostly young people and young families. People had coolers of pop (and beer) and were eating home made sandwiches, take out pizza, buckets of KFC, etc. The cops were walking through the crowd looking for alcohol. It was strictly forbidden. And there was some drunken carousing going on. The cops' presence was NOT welcome by the crowd and it was very much an "us vs them" thing. And when it was over, though it wasn't as bad as the Woodstock aftermath, the garbage was a bit reminiscent.

The other one was near my home on Mercer Island. It is a very upscale place. In fact, my neighbor a couple blocks down was Paul Allen. That gives a feel. FWIW, the reason I lived there was that I found a three bedroom house at a ridiculously low rent because they were planning on selling in a year.

Anyway, as with the other one, the crowd included familes, young couples and a stronger mix of elderly peoople. People had food and drink. But the drink was pop, bottled water, micro-brew beer and wine. People were drinking their wine out of Baccarat or similar crystal and a lot of guys were drinking their beer out of glasses they brought with them. There was a lot of cheese, grapes, salami and crackers as well as homemade gourmet foods, salads, dips, etc. There was some take-out pizza and KFC as well, but not as much. The cops were wandering through the crowd, stopping occasionally to visit. They were not the least bit concerned about the alcohol. It was all adults and there were not any unaccompanied teens that I saw. It was much more peaceful.

One amazing aspect was that after everyone had left, you would never have known anybody was there. EVERYONE pitched in and cleaned up. It was amazing.

Now, this is a tale of two American cultures. coexisting within a relatively short distance of each other. But one group was more mature, and could be trusted by the cops, the other had earned the police scrutiny. But here's the critical thing: The Kent site had elderly people at it as well - but a large portion of them were "still children". They had never really grown up. And they were, under the right conditions, dangerous to themselves and others. But there was none of that at the Mercer Island one. Zero. The maturity level was much higher - for all ages. And the police interaction with the folks there was on a completely different plane as well.

And the bottom line in all of this, to me, is this: If you want the better lifestyle, but live in the lower lifestyle neighborhood, you need to do two things first: 1. Grow up. 2. Get the heck out of that neighborhood at all costs.
Folks get what they tolerate, whether community standards or authoritarian oversight standards.
Demanding respect isn't the same as deserving respect, it's very much a two-way interaction.
 
Wow! This is a really good read about the riots:
All Hell Broke Loose In Minneapolis and 'Armed Rednecks' Stepped In to Protect Businesses

A worthwhile quote:
"We heard that and figured 'Well, we better get up and go see if these guys need help,'" the second man said, pointing to the smoke shop behind him. "It turns out these guys are out here with machetes and trying to keep looters out of their business because the cops can't get out here. And so, I figured, before there were cops there were Americans. So here we are."

The men referenced the Los Angeles riots in 1992 following the arrest and beating of Rodney King.

"They were there protecting their own stuff. You got Rooftop Koreans," the first man said, referencing the Korean business owners in L.A. who defended their businesses.

"Bottom line: justice for George Floyd but I hope they stop looting at some point. If there were more of us, we could stop them from looting," the second man explained. "But it's just us four."
 
Folks get what they tolerate, whether community standards or authoritarian oversight standards.
Demanding respect isn't the same as deserving respect, it's very much a two-way interaction.
Yep. If you deserve it, you probably won't have to demand it. And if you deserve it but still have to demand it, it's time to move.
 
Does anyone know why George Floyd was being arrested? I can't seem to find that information in the articles that I've seen.
 
Yep. If you deserve it, you probably won't have to demand it. And if you deserve it but still have to demand it, it's time to move.
Those who cannot need the means to change things from the inside, some do that with success. Otherwise, getting put may be the only viable option.
 
Mob mentality, just like how a group of respectful people would trample others to death when a fire breaks out at an indoor basketball game at a junior high school. Look how personal greed drained millions of jobs out of one location to another. Look how groups associated by personal preference stops all possible reason and consideration of what could be irregardless of the group and it’s agenda !!!

When a mob wishes to prove a point, all morality is cast aside and they can do no wrong. Kind of why so many people have been released from incarceration with new DNA technology.

The Beatles......Get Back To Where You Once Belonged !!!

The way so many people are reacting proves that we as a people have lost our way....everyone is the result of common experiences that we all experience starting with public education as the first variable in a long equation of social influence.
 
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None of that excuses a cop kneeling on Floyd's neck until he died.
In ALL of the video I have seen, he was not violent, he was cooperative, but once he hit the ground, he was overpowered until he died.

Breonna Taylor, who worked as an EMT in Louisville, no criminal history, asleep in her apartment when police (mistakenly) broke in, unannounced, with a search warrant for a drug arrest.
Her boyfriend, who was NOT the drugee, pulled a gun on the unannounced mob that broke into her apartment, and she died with 8 bullets in her, unwarranted.

Freddy Gray in Baltimore who was tossed in a police van without a seatbelt or restraints that was (allegedly) driven wildly, suffered a broken back and did not survive.

You may say such incidents are not race based, but when the officers are primarily white and the dead person is black - it sure looks racist.

And when it looks like people just like them get executed by police (or those crackers in Georgia who shot the black jogger) with no justice - frustration boils over and bad manners prevail. Some scream and shout, some use it as an excuse to burn and loot.


Sorry, that story is locked behind a paywall - I don't pay for the NY Times - perhaps you could just tell us what it says?
 
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Does anyone know why George Floyd was being arrested? I can't seem to find that information in the articles that I've seen.
I think he was forging a check or something. I read somewhere that at least they are claiming they were catching him "committing forgery".
 
Mob mentality, just like how a group of respectful people would trample others to death when a fire breaks out in an indoor basketball game at a junior high school. Look how personal greed drained millions of jobs out of one location to another. Look how groups associated by personal preference stops all possible reason and consideration of what could be irregardless of the group and it’s agenda !!!

When a mob wishes to prove a point, all morality is cast aside and they can do no wrong. Kind of why so many people have been released from incarceration with new DNA technology.

The Beatles......Get Back To Where You Once Belonged !!!

The way so many people are reacting proves that we as a people have lost our way....everyone is the result of common experiences that we all experience starting with public education as the first variable of a long equation of social influence.
I agree with that post right up to the last paragraph. Not all of us have lost our way. But yes, many have - since the dawn of man. Good times don't test men. Bad times do. It's easy to be nice when everything's going great.
 
None of that excuses a cop kneeling on Floyd's neck until he died.
In ALL of the video I have seen, he was not violent, he was cooperative, but once he hit the ground, he was overpowered until he died.

Breonna Taylor, who worked as an EMT in Louisville, no criminal history, asleep in her apartment when police (mistakenly) broke in, unannounced, with a search warrant for a drug arrest.
Her boyfriend, who was NOT the drugee, pulled a gun on the unannounced mob that broke into her apartment, and she died with 8 bullets in her, unwarranted.

Freddy Gray in Baltimore who was tossed in a police van without a seatbelt or restraints that was (allegedly) driven wildly, suffered a broken back and did not survive.

You may say such incidents are not race based, but when the officers are primarily white and the dead person is black - it sure looks racist.



Sorry, that story is locked behind a paywall - I don't pay for the NY Times - perhaps you could just tell us what it says?

That's odd. I don't pay for and it opens for me.

The original police report said Mr. Floyd had resisted arrest.
The arrest of Mr. Floyd took place on Monday evening. The Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement that officers had responded to a call about a man suspected of forgery. The police said the man was found sitting on top of a blue car and “appeared to be under the influence.”

updated a statement, titled “Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction,” saying that additional information had “been made available” and that the F.B.I. was joining the investigation.
 
I just watched the video. I want to cry man. "I can't breath" is not resisting arrest. That man got tortured.

But yeah boo hoo for some destroyed property that was probably insured right?
 
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I agree with that post right up to the last paragraph. Not all of us have lost our way. But yes, many have - since the dawn of man. Good times don't test men. Bad times do. It's easy to be nice when everything's going great.

Very true, there was a time when people were community minded. When everything benefited everyone as much as possibly could be without being overly concerned about the many things they could own. When people question their possible existence in the future, actual community standards disappear along with morals creating the mentality of the end supports the means.
 
Oxford, Alabama has a nationally recognized police academy that instills the highest standards and practices in the profession. It should be seen as a profession, not a fraternity.
Unfortunately, attendance is not universally nationally mandated for academies with similar standards.
'Sick and disgusted': Alabama police chiefs association statement on death of George Floyd
https://abc3340.com/news/local/alab...n-releases-statement-on-death-of-george-floyd
 
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