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Weird - I created an account so now they let me in.
Anyway -
Sounds like the deal is he was a big guy, 6' 7" tall, his rent was paid last week, and he was job hunting since the restaurant he worked at had closed due to Coronavirus.
He was apparently sitting on a car when the police arrived. I'd imagine the cops were intimidated by a big guy like him.
The police were wearing body cams - video from them have not been released.
But the image of the one cop with hands in his pockets, his knee on Mr Floyd's neck as floyd pleaded that he could not breathe and ...

Racists or not, that's just not decent human behavior.
 
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True....

Irregardless, the punishment for forgery is not death !!!

The truth of the matter is that many people as individuals do not value the life of another individual. Things that people own have more value than another persons life.

Due to what was written in the preface of the CDC manual, many prescriptions for opium based pharmaceuticals were prescribed. Many people died and many people are still homeless because of it. Many of these people are treated badly as if it was their own fault. Was something done to process those people through drug rehab at the expense of the CDC, the pharmaceutical companies and the doctors that wrote the prescriptions by way of a class action suit ? Why have those people’s lives been not important enough to pursue the correct method of justice? Why do so many people just wish that the police would take them away so that they do not have to look at them anymore ?
 
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How many here can personally relate to the core issue?
I can, a relative whose "white privelege" and prominent family didnt shield him from authoritarian abuse was killed on camera in custody several years ago. The sheriff in charge of that department received a presidential pardon for his years of abuse of authority.
I can link an article if necessary.
 
How many here can personally relate to the core issue?
I can, a relative whose "white privelege" and prominent family didnt shield him from authoritarian abuse was killed on camera in custody several years ago. The sheriff in charge of that department received a presidential pardon for his years of abuse of authority.
I can link an article if necessary.

I have family and loved ones, my wife included, with certain diagnosed mental health issues. Sometimes when somebody is upset, deescalating them is not easy. Telling them to "calm down" or "comply" will 100% of the time, achieve the exact opposite.

It's terrifying to think about what would happen if something like a car accident triggered a panic attack, and then some cop who rolls up is an egotistical cowboy with a chip on his shoulder, and they escalate the situation instead of deescalate.
 
I have family and loved ones, my wife included, with certain diagnosed mental health issues. Sometimes when somebody is upset, deescalating them is not easy. Telling them to "calm down" or "comply" will 100% of the time, achieve the exact opposite.

It's terrifying to think about what would happen if something like a car accident triggered a panic attack, and then some cop who rolls up is an egotistical cowboy with a chip on his shoulder, and they escalate the situation instead of deescalate.
Name check "Scott Norberg" in a websearch.
 
Nothing I've read or seen on video depicts any justification for what happened to Floyd. It's terrible and should and will be gotten to the bottom of.

I just watched the video. I want to cry man. "I can't breath" is not resisting arrest. That man got tortured.

But yeah boo hoo for some destroyed property that was probably insured right? ****ing priorities.

Your second paragraph. C'mon man.

A terribly unjust action by guy A kills guy B. People unrelated to guy A or B go steal and destroy property of guy C (also unrelated to A or B) and it's all fine because the tab will be picked up by D, who's also unrelated to A and B?

Would it be ok if someone stole your wallet and stereo out of your car while also smashing all the windows, flattening all the tires and putting sugar in your gas tank, as long as he was upset at Floyd's death? Ok for your insurance to go up, as well as your neighbor's and anyone who drives the same kind of car?

If not, why not? Because your car wasn't in Floyd's neighborhood?
 
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Very true, there was a time when people were community minded. When everything benefited everyone as much as possibly could be without being overly concerned about the many things they could own. When people question their possible existence in the future, actual community standards disappear along with morals creating the mentality of the end supports the means.
A couple of things about that. First, when I sold Real estate for a while at the turn of the century my broker talked about the phases a family goes through financially. The lowest is "survival". At that stage, you are not even thinking about how nice your car is, or what cool stuff you want. You simply are concerned about the rent payment, food, etc. I forget the names of all the other phases, but each level of prosperity brings new "concerns" and new "future hopes. The last is where you are filthy stinking rich. At that level, money is irrelevant. What you are concerned about is power. But everything between those two phases involves getting a more comfortable life, a more stable furure, etc. The challenge is that sometimes a more comfortable life comes at the expense of your future, especially if it is done through debt.

Second thing: Television. There was a time before television where there was not a lot of consumerism. You bought what you needed, and you might see something someone else has and think, Hey, I should work some overtime because I would like to have one of those. But you only saw what was around your "neighborhood". But thanks to television, you can be dirt poor and still have massive consumerism foisted on you at every turn. It literally creates an appetite for things you will almost certainly never be able to afford. This sows both dissatisfaction and unrest.

This hit me hard when I dumped TV in 1997. I expected some changes, but the one that really surprised me was the "consumerism" simply vanished from my life. Sure, I saw a guy driving a Scion FR-S back in 2012 and thought to myself, "what the heck is that?" I needed a small car for my long commute and I've always been about small and efficient cars. So I looked it up on the internet, found out it was only $25k, took one for a test drive, and pulled out my check book. But my desire was not fueled by television bringing it into my house. I saw in my neighborhood, I liked, I bought. But if I was inundated with commercials for that and all the other cars out there, I might have thought it was "too cheap" to own. BTW, It now has 200,000 miles on it and going strong.

But the thing is, our whole world is no longer an agrarian society. A fraction of the people can produce enough food for everyone. So, what else is everyone supposed to do? I came to grips with this when I sold hi-fi back in 1982. My life felt so pointless, being a salesman trying to talk people into buying something they may not really need. Then it struck me: Every VCR or hi-fi I sold put money into the pockets of the janitor of our store, the back office employees, the driver of the truck that delivered it, the oil worker that supplied gas to that truck, the factory worker that built the truck, the factory worker that built the VCR, the sailors on the ship that brought it across the atlantic, the grocery workers that sell food to all those people, etc.

I could expand, but you get my gist. we are in a world of plenty, and all we have to do is find a way to bring value to other people and they will pay us for our part, while we pay them for our part. It is a big circle of an economy. And even the rich play their part. I have a billionaire brother in law. He pays the captain of his main yaucht more than I make. And the crew is well paid. He has an entire fire department on his Montana ranch, yet even gets into it with them. He and I spend half a day trying to get one of his Peterbuilt fire engines started. It was a fuel problem.

The bottom line is that the key to survival is bringing some kind of value to other people, and in a perfect society there will always be a number of unemployed people, but their ranks are constantly changing. I've been on unemployment three or four times in my life, but never for more than a few weeks. That is the way it should be.

All it really takes for everyone to be relatively happy is to spend less than they earn and don't fill their life with desire for "stuff" that, though they may want it, they really don't need. That is not really that hard, physically, but it can be very hard, emotionally. Just like losing weight can be hard, though it's a very simple thing to do. Just eat less than you really need for a while.
 
None of that excuses a cop kneeling on Floyd's neck until he died.
In ALL of the video I have seen, he was not violent, he was cooperative, but once he hit the ground, he was overpowered until he died.

Breonna Taylor, who worked as an EMT in Louisville, no criminal history, asleep in her apartment when police (mistakenly) broke in, unannounced, with a search warrant for a drug arrest.
Her boyfriend, who was NOT the drugee, pulled a gun on the unannounced mob that broke into her apartment, and she died with 8 bullets in her, unwarranted.

Freddy Gray in Baltimore who was tossed in a police van without a seatbelt or restraints that was (allegedly) driven wildly, suffered a broken back and did not survive.

You may say such incidents are not race based, but when the officers are primarily white and the dead person is black - it sure looks racist.

And when it looks like people just like them get executed by police (or those crackers in Georgia who shot the black jogger) with no justice - frustration boils over and bad manners prevail. Some scream and shout, some use it as an excuse to burn and loot.
Perfect. :thumbsup:
 
Nothing I've read or seen on video depicts any justification for what happened to Floyd. It's terrible and should and will be gotten to the bottom of.



Your second paragraph. C'mon man.

A terribly unjust action by guy A kills guy B. People unrelated to guy A or B go steal and destroy property of guy C (also unrelated to A or B) and it's all fine because the tab will be picked up by D, who's also unrelated to A and B.

Would it be ok if someone stole your wallet and stereo out of your car while also smashing all the windows, flattening all the tires and putting sugar in your gas tank, as long as he was upset at Floyd's death? Ok for your insurance to go up, as well as your neighbor's and anyone who drives the same kind of car?

If not, why not? Because your car wasn't in Floyd's neighborhood?

Everything you list is replaceable. Life is not.
 
None of that excuses a cop kneeling on Floyd's neck until he died.
In ALL of the video I have seen, he was not violent, he was cooperative, but once he hit the ground, he was overpowered until he died.

Breonna Taylor, who worked as an EMT in Louisville, no criminal history, asleep in her apartment when police (mistakenly) broke in, unannounced, with a search warrant for a drug arrest.
Her boyfriend, who was NOT the drugee, pulled a gun on the unannounced mob that broke into her apartment, and she died with 8 bullets in her, unwarranted.

Freddy Gray in Baltimore who was tossed in a police van without a seatbelt or restraints that was (allegedly) driven wildly, suffered a broken back and did not survive.

You may say such incidents are not race based, but when the officers are primarily white and the dead person is black - it sure looks racist.

And when it looks like people just like them get executed by police (or those crackers in Georgia who shot the black jogger) with no justice - frustration boils over and bad manners prevail. Some scream and shout, some use it as an excuse to burn and loot.



Sorry, that story is locked behind a paywall - I don't pay for the NY Times - perhaps you could just tell us what it says?

Heather: Here a C+P of the portion of the article you've asked about:

"The arrest of Mr. Floyd took place on Monday evening. The Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement that officers had responded to a call about a man suspected of forgery. The police said the man was found sitting on top of a blue car and “appeared to be under the influence.”

“He was ordered to step from his car,” the department’s statement said. “After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.”

(..... further down in the article .....)

The bystander video shows a white Minneapolis police officer pressing his knee into a black man’s neck during an arrest, as the man repeatedly says, “I can’t breathe,” and, “Please, I can’t breathe.”

The video recorded in Minneapolis on Monday shows that after a few minutes, the man, lying face down in the street with his hands cuffed behind his back, becomes silent and motionless; the officer continues to pin the man to the pavement with his knee.

Bystanders plead and curse, begging the officer to stop and telling him the man’s nose is bleeding. Another officer faces the people gathered on the sidewalk. An ambulance medic arrives and, reaching under the officer’s knee, feels for a pulse on the man’s neck.

The medic turns away, and a stretcher is wheeled over. The arrested man is then rolled onto the stretcher, loaded into an ambulance and taken away.

The video did not show what had happened before the officer pinned the man to the ground by his neck."
 
Heather: Here a C+P of the portion of the article you've asked about:

"The arrest of Mr. Floyd took place on Monday evening. The Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement that officers had responded to a call about a man suspected of forgery. The police said the man was found sitting on top of a blue car and “appeared to be under the influence.”

“He was ordered to step from his car,” the department’s statement said. “After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.”

(..... further down in the article .....)

The bystander video shows a white Minneapolis police officer pressing his knee into a black man’s neck during an arrest, as the man repeatedly says, “I can’t breathe,” and, “Please, I can’t breathe.”

The video recorded in Minneapolis on Monday shows that after a few minutes, the man, lying face down in the street with his hands cuffed behind his back, becomes silent and motionless; the officer continues to pin the man to the pavement with his knee.

Bystanders plead and curse, begging the officer to stop and telling him the man’s nose is bleeding. Another officer faces the people gathered on the sidewalk. An ambulance medic arrives and, reaching under the officer’s knee, feels for a pulse on the man’s neck.

The medic turns away, and a stretcher is wheeled over. The arrested man is then rolled onto the stretcher, loaded into an ambulance and taken away.

The video did not show what had happened before the officer pinned the man to the ground by his neck."
https://kstp.com/news/surveillance-video-shows-events-leading-up-to-george-floyds-arrest/5742404/

Security camera footage of what led up to the arrest. No sound.
 
I have been affiliated with the local F.O.P. for 40 years.
I have known most of the officers in the area.
80% of them were all good guys
10% of them were ok but you could tell they had issues.
the last 10% I stayed away from the best I could. they
were the arrogant elitist jerks you did not want to encounter.
a lot of them got fired over the years but their are still some out there.
 
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