Minneapolis Riots ?

[hjames]

Agree with everything you wrote there. And I do hope that cop gets sentenced for that. That was absolutely nuts to watch.

There is simply no reason for SO MANY around this country to blatantly disrespect standing officers and or attack them out
of the blue with no provocation on the officers part. Seeing more and more of that out of New York especially. And IMO these
out of control riots only encourage those performing such acts against the hard working stressed out officers just trying to do
their job and protect the public. These out of control public acts of chaos and anarchy and lawlessness serve no greater good
what so ever! They come off as miscarriage of humanity to me.

Completely agree. I have friends who are law enforcement officers and I applaud them for having even sensibilities
and I worry about them every time a bad cop gets away with something that none of us citizens would.

That Brotherhood of Blue crap needs to end - so that the honor of being a cop, a job of service, can return.

We have simply GOT to see each other as all being of the same stuff - and stop stratifying humanity.

We have been talking about "The Race card" since that Minneapolis event involved 4 white cops and one unarmed man who was obviously executed by the lead cop. Watch the videos.
How can you NOT talk Race with this event?

I am an American, like my mom and dad and a few generations back, and I get sick when I see that kind of behavior. We've GOT to be better than that. We have to WORK at being better.

 

[PPstereo]

Survival instincts, as in what part of their lives are threatened beyond a reasonable doubt. Many people have had their entitlement to a specific life threatened beyond belief and are reacting as it was a real life threatening situation. Stress over long periods of time causes rigid personalities that can not adapt to change. How many people can go from having an IT job to picking crops to keep enough money in their pockets to live ? What seems to be an emergency to one person may just be an inconvenience to another that is easily remedied by making a hard choice. Many people now can not make the choices necessary to survive and are acting like the house is on fire. That’s why people are acting like they have a hair trigger mentality reacting in survival mode.

I get what your saying here but I have to respectfully disagree on their being of the same ilk. Sorry.

But no big deal. Just a difference of opinion.

 

[tubed]

Economic looting has been a way of life this century, benefiting the uber class.
The wealth divide is phenomenal and certainly doesn't help.

 

[hjames]

Gotta scoot.
Again, thanks for everyone being civil - an amazing discussion here today.

 

[David_NC]

All I know is I dont want to keep seeing the race card thrown around here.

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Seriously?

There are six times more whites than blacks in the US, based on the 2010 census, yet 'only' twice as many whites are killed by police. If the numbers were consistent, shouldn't there be six times as many whites killed as blacks?

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019...s-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/

In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.

That’s according to a new study conducted by Frank Edwards, of Rutgers University’s School of Criminal Justice, Hedwig Lee, of Washington University in St. Louis’s Department of Sociology, and Michael Esposito, of the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The researchers used verified data on police killings from 2013 to 2018 compiled by the website Fatal Encounters, created by Nevada-based journalist D. Brian Burghart. Under their models, they found that roughly 1-in-1,000 black boys and men will be killed by police in their lifetime. For white boys and men, the rate is 39 out of 100,000.

In fact, people of color in general were found more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts.

 

[PPstereo]

Completely agree. I have friends who are law enforcement officers and I applaud them for having even sensibilities
and I worry about them every time a bad cop gets away with something that none of us citizens would.

That Brotherhood of Blue crap needs to end - so that the honor of being a cop, a job of service, can return.

We have simply GOT to see each other as all being of the same stuff - and stop stratifying humanity.

Once again completely agree on all levels.

Sadly I do see where the Brotherhood of Blue is born from. And Im not talking Serpico era. The present day kind.

These days cops are often painted in a negative light and the justice system seems to being retooled to a criminals
favor. I totally understand much of this is that course correction syndrome which often over corrects IMO initially.
Things will level off in time. But much like the rioting and it having no place in a civil society I see BOB being a
creation of those trying to keep itself protected by its own inner circle. Im not agreeing with it. But I can see why it happens.

 

[onwardjames]

This society has become so hamstrung with racial flotsam, hurt feelings, and overall IGNORANCE of history, that we're incapable of critical thought, discussion, and being able to lay the blame at the feet of those who are truly guilty.

You have a media that is always gunning for ratings, has an agenda, and doesn't let the truth (or falseness) of a story deter them.

You have a populace that.....I'm very sorry to say.......is generally stupid. What tiny bit of information most get is from biased and agenda-pushing sources, themselves getting it from others just as clueless.

When a cop tells you to freeze, and you choose to ignore that, you get shot. Same thing happens to most anyone, but it isn't gonna sell papers to say such. FI had hair to my waist as a teen. Didn't drink, didn't do drugs, went to church. But I got profiled countless times. Did I ever riot?? No. I'm not a rioter.

When 70% of violent crime comes from a tiny slice of the population, you're going to have stereotypes and profiles.............because the data points in that direction.

When did personal accountability, responsibility, and blame become inexorably tied to ones' melanin?? Sorry, that' simply too easy, and doesn't tell the whole story.

Now if someone would like to discuss the wealth inequality in this country, which HAS NO COLOR LINES, I'm all ears.

While us working poor and unworking poor squabble, the fat cats are making PROFIT during this corona mess. And they're laughing at the proles, you can bet.

 

[PPstereo]

There are six times more whites than blacks in the US, based on the 2010 census, yet 'only' twice as many whites are killed by police. If the numbers were consistent, shouldn't there be six times as many whites killed as blacks?

Yeah but that logic doesnt take into account the % of those convicted of committing a crime.

And OMG can one break this and other math down in SOOOO many other ways beyond what could even begin to be discussed here.

 

[NH-MAN]

Seriously?
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There are six times more whites than blacks in the US, based on the 2010 census, yet 'only' twice as many whites are killed by police. If the numbers were consistent, shouldn't there be six times as many whites killed as blacks?

Yes seriously, I am sure there are some white and Hispanic stories to tell, they just dont make the news because of the race card deems them to be less.

I hate race talk, I hate the word hate crimes as a death is a death and they are all important. I wish the word race didn't even exist we are all people.
If I could I would outlaw the use of any of these words. Head line: Man or woman dies there should be no other talk of their race. I hate it with a passion.

 

[onwardjames]

Seriously?
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There are six times more whites than blacks in the US, based on the 2010 census, yet 'only' twice as many whites are killed by police. If the numbers were consistent, shouldn't there be six times as many whites killed as blacks?

No, because as I stated above, the data doesn't point in that direction.

Dindonuffin is considered rebellious and something defensible because of melanin. Ridiculous.

I'm no fan of the code of blue, but if I continue to harangue, yell, be threatening, and challenge authority, I fully expect to get my ass beat.


I gotta leave this thread, this stuff raises my bp, and I have a bi-racial grandson to go play with, and try to teach right from wrong. And no, his father isn't in the picture of his own choice.

 

[Pio1980]

All I know is I dont want to keep seeing the race card thrown around here.



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Then, exactly what do you think this is about, other than unequal treatment under law?

 

[mkane]

It's race related and if you think not I don't understand you. And his effing partner just stands there and watches. This is harder in our home than yours.

 

[NH-MAN]

Seriously?
View attachment 1881095
There are six times more whites than blacks in the US, based on the 2010 census, yet 'only' twice as many whites are killed by police. If the numbers were consistent, shouldn't there be six times as many whites killed as blacks?

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019...s-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/

In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.

That’s according to a new study conducted by Frank Edwards, of Rutgers University’s School of Criminal Justice, Hedwig Lee, of Washington University in St. Louis’s Department of Sociology, and Michael Esposito, of the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The researchers used verified data on police killings from 2013 to 2018 compiled by the website Fatal Encounters, created by Nevada-based journalist D. Brian Burghart. Under their models, they found that roughly 1-in-1,000 black boys and men will be killed by police in their lifetime. For white boys and men, the rate is 39 out of 100,000.

In fact, people of color in general were found more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts.
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"Likely" is not a fact, were is.

 

[David_NC]

Yeah but that logic doesnt take into account the % of those convicted of committing a crime.

And OMG can one break this and other math down in SOOOO many other ways beyond what could even begin to be discussed here.

I'm not sure, but I don't think that people who are shot and killed by police are charged and/or convicted...
However, the disparity in numbers of whites vs blacks being arrested, charged, and convicted of crimes is well known and documented. It gets back to the this discussion: a white man doing what George Floyd was doing likely wouldn't have been noticed by police.

 

[Pio1980]

Agree with everything you wrote there. And I do hope that cop gets sentenced for that. That was absolutely nuts to watch.

There is simply no reason for SO MANY around this country to blatantly disrespect standing officers and or attack them out
of the blue with no provocation on the officers part. Seeing more and more of that out of New York especially. And IMO these
out of control riots only encourage those performing such acts against the hard working stressed out officers just trying to do
their job and protect the public. These out of control public acts of chaos and anarchy and lawlessness serve no greater good
what so ever! They come off as miscarriage of humanity to me.

Getting rid of the "bad apples" thru effective oversight would go a long way to help that situation.

 

[kirk57]

I'm also one of those weird people who feel a crime is a crime is a crime. No additional label needed. And all crimes should be treated the same.

Interesting.

Did you ever see 'Bicycle Thieves'? How about 'Les Miserables'?

 

[Grenadeslio]

What happened to Floyd was absolutely terrible and those officers deserved to be fired.

I just wish there was equal or greater passion and attention given to black on black crime. Which kills exponentially more black lives daily.

Just strikes me as one massive misallocation of resources.

Fired? Arrested more like.

 

[PPstereo]

Yes seriously, I am sure there are some white and Hispanic stories to tell, they just dont make the news because of the race card deems them to be less.

I hate race talk, I hate the word hate crimes as a death is a death and they are all important. I wish the word race didn't even exist we are all people.
If I could I would outlaw the use of any of these words. Head line: Man or woman dies there should be no other talk of their race. I hate it with a passion.

No kidding!

This new age RACE being front and center has done nothing but reverse all the work and course that Dr King tried to put in motion.

Such a massive disservice to the real freedom fighters like Dr King who died for such conviction.

Low hanging fruit simply sells well with the simple minded and hate filled masses. Thankfully they are in fact a smaller part of society on the whole.

Most people dont belong to that mentality.

 

[NH-MAN]

It's race related and if you think not I don't understand you. And his effing partner just stands there and watches. This is harder in our home than yours.

Please tell me why this is harder in your home than mine? This dufuss who was on his neck would have done it to anybody as he obviously doesn't care. To say it was because he was black is utter BS and there is no basis, evidence, or anything else in this world saying it is. Could be just an ass but that of course is not good enough of a reason.

 

[onwardjames]

In fact, people of color in general were found more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts.

Another interesting fact - Men of color are far more likely to be killed by other men of color.

Also, if one cares to, check out whites murdered nationwide by blacks, and vice versa. Or hey, let's look at rape statistics. There's one I bet many here don't know about.

Spoiler - The numbers are frightening, when all is said and done.

 

[PPstereo]

Fired? Arrested more like.

Completely. Im pro death penalty so however far the powers that be want to take it.