Minneapolis Riots ?

[RobRoy]

So, view the video footage below from across the street that shows the whole arrest.
There were 3 people in the minivan. 2 got out peacefully and moved offcamera.
Its obvious that no one got violent.
but the result was the murder of an unarmed, restrained man. Allegedly for forgery?

Absolutely nothing like your little brother story, who was not murdered.

I agree. I was pointing out only the concept: We must be sure we're watching the whole thing before we torch our garage.

 

[hjames]

I suspect we all have some trigger event that would make us take to the streets and even possibly resort to acts of violence.
I sure hope I never have to witness mine.

Agreed - if someone were to do despicable things to my wife ...
if I had no reason to live afterwards, I'd hit my Charles Bronson moment.
But thats not likely, so no more need be said.

 

[RobRoy]

Effective community policing needs to include stable exemplary mentoring to help break the cycle and invest the community in itself and its larger environment.
Adversarial policing has the exact opposite effect, enforcing entrenched insular reactive behavior.

In many areas this is why there has been a push to get cops out of their cars and onto their feet, as it used to be a very long time ago.

On a semi-related note: Remember when the oil embargo caused a national speed limit of 55 mph? I hated that for the same reason I hate some stuff going on this year. Back then, where the speed limit was 70, if you did 75 you were a "speeder" and it was frowned upon. Most people were not "speeders". But the 55 limit made "everyone" speeders. The result was to increase the "the cops are not your friends" attitude in our entire culture, and we live with it today. When a culture has tight and strongly enforced laws, the police are really nobody's friend.

Then again, I am a strong believer in this concept: The less virtuous a people, the greater its need for laws. In heaven, all intersections have yield signs.

 

[NH-MAN]

Agreed - if someone were to do despicable things to my wife ...
if I had no reason to live afterwards, I'd hit my Charles Bronson moment.
But thats not likely, so no more need be said.

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The difference is "you" probably wouldn't burn down the local pizza hut just cause.

 

[PPstereo]

Yeah I also didnt follow the notion of mobs rioting to the equal of good people trampling others to
death trying to escape a burning building.

People panicking out of their senses not wanting to be burned alive seems to have nothing to do
with folks making a premeditated conscious decision to engage in theft and destruction of other
peoples property.

The other sad reality is, folks flooding an exit to escape a fire is also part of their own demise.
Goes back to staying cool under pressure. Like shown in the Great White club fire. Its so sad
seeing loads of people stuck in the door out of the club because they all panic. Had they kept
their cool and tried to exit quickly and calmly so many other lives would have been saved.
And Im sure given the chance to do it over knowing this, they would have happily acted in
their own self preservation to stay alive and not trample and freak out and die as a result.
Well the owns capable of keeping it together in such a moment.

 

[RobRoy]

Actually Last night's National News on All 3 Broadcast Networks ABC, CBS, NBC all said he might of Knowingly or Unknowingly passed a Counterfeit $10 Bill at the Party store and the Store Owner called the Police ...
The store owner was interviewed on camera also

Wow!
I don't have tv so I only see what I read on the internet and catch some news after the fact on youtube..Sounds like an overreaction, at least by the cops. But that is where all evidence has taken us so far.

 

[RobRoy]

Yeah I also didnt follow the notion of mobs rioting to the equal of good people trampling others to
death trying to escape a burning building.

People panicking out of their senses not wanting to be burned alive seems to have nothing to do
with folks making a premeditated conscious decision to engage in theft and destruction of other
peoples property.

The other sad reality is, folks flooding an exit to escape a fire is also part of their own demise.
Goes back to staying cool under pressure. Like shown in the Great White club fire. Its so sad
seeing loads of people stuck in the door out of the club because they all panic. Had they kept
their cool and tried to exit quickly and calmly so many other lives would have been saved.
And Im sure given the chance to do it over knowing this, they would have happily acted in
their own self preservation to stay alive and not trample and freak out and die as a result.
Well the owns capable of keeping it together in such a moment.

Remember the Tsunami in Japan that destroyed the reactor? There was ZERO looting in the towns affected. Different culture, apparently.

 

[NH-MAN]

Remember the Tsunami in Japan that destroyed the reactor? There was ZERO looting in the towns affected. Different culture, apparently.

I think over there one would be quickly sent to prison for doing such things as it should be.

 

[RobRoy]

and auto zone....the one in ferguson MO a few years back - they burned the auto zone there too....why burn the place you work at? boggles the mind...

last evening CT I was watching a live feed and the reporter caught an eye full from the pepper spray grenade...

We're house training a puppy. Even he has the common sense to not piss where he sleeps. Duh.

 

[NH-MAN]

I think over there one would be quickly sent to prison for doing such things as it should be.

Not to much stealing in Saudi Arabia either as they cut your hand off in the square, works for me. (still doing this in the 90's when I was there)

 

[PPstereo]

I think over there one would be quickly sent to prison for doing such things as it should be.

Yup imagine that. A country who has civility standards and a regimented justice system.

Might be why they always kick our asses in education and testing too.

No its not a perfect country, what is. But man can you see why having civility and discipline does wonders for folks.

I love watching the youtube videos of teachers over there SMASHING students phones for not putting them away.

Oh if only we took things a bit more seriously with civil disobedience.

 

[PPstereo]

Not to much stealing in Saudi Arabia either as they cut your hand off in the square, works for me. (still doing this in the 90's when I was there)

Yeah no kidding.

Im not sure if it was there but I recall reading about how a fellow paralyzed another guy when beating
him over something. And the court decided he would be surgically paralyzed as punishment for the crime.

My god that would make folks think if it were an eye for an eye.

Even I feel that mentality should have some stop gaps however.

 

[hjames]

Not trying to be argumentative here. But dont you think that goes right back to your chicken or egg notion?
I mean when large number of individuals turn a part of the city into a set from Escape from New York, doesnt that bode badly for cops view of said folks and further the stigma between them?
The massive destruction and violence being exhibited right now and before seems FAR more damaging to a public's mental well being than even
the actions of that awful cop who choked the man to death.

None of what's played out start to finish seems to be working towards any greater good I can see.

Nah, whites didn't start opressing black people because the blacks were so violent, it started long ago, before the blacks had any rights.
And there is still hate-mongering going on today that has no precedent on the reverse.
There are no black mobs hunting down innocent white folks for some perceived offense.
There was no black Klan. Its about folks who have power treating other folks as lessers

This whole thing has been back-loaded for years. C'mon man, be honest about it.
This did not start in 2020, or 2001, or even in 1968 ... Don't try to make the victims be villains.
Sure, there are folks who are born into this world who are flat mad as hell and go off with little provocation.

But there's a lot of decent folks who (somehow) have faith that it can and will get better.
People have to reach out and not give into the "duckits" ... Giving in is EASY - making an effort takes work.

The difference is "you" probably wouldn't burn down the local pizza hut just cause.

Sure - I'm pretty peaceful and not known for rage.

But to carry the discussion - by that token, once you rage out, who is to say you wouldn't go to some Vegas hotel
and pick off random folks from on high. Near as I can tell, no one ever figured why he did that slaughter.

Like I said - its not a logic puzzle - this begets that.

 

[Djcoolray]

I have family and loved ones, my wife included, with certain diagnosed mental health issues. Sometimes when somebody is upset, deescalating them is not easy. Telling them to "calm down" or "comply" will 100% of the time, achieve the exact opposite.

It's terrifying to think about what would happen if something like a car accident triggered a panic attack, and then some cop who rolls up is an egotistical cowboy with a chip on his shoulder, and they escalate the situation instead of deescalate.

True....

It has been publicly proven through modern technology that the organized system of law enforcement does not serve the interests of all citizens due to a lack of proper training and proper organized support for police officers. If you don’t understand what I mean, just go to any police department and ask for a complaint form and watch the officer loose his grip on reality !! To serve the public, an officer of the law must be able to identify with each and every situation on an individual basis without being in survival mode. If a person sees their environment as a threat to their existence, they go into survival mode and assess everything as a possible threat. The real problem is the lack of prerequisites before a community college education in law enforcement, a certain amount of experience in the military experiencing combat scenarios would reinforce the judgement between the good guys and the bad guys. Breaking a law doesn’t make a person a bad guy, not responding in the correct manner may have many different reasons behind it. Then treating all people the same way is a complete lack of understanding of what makes a society function.

 

[Beatnik]

It's my fault they're burning down the house, sorry.

 

[David_NC]

Riots like this one will end when minorities are accepted as equal to whites. So probably never.

Emotional reaction to abuse of authority vs accountability, violence venting. Cause and effect.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...kaepernick-kneeled-lebron-james-says-n1215386

There's a sense of unaccountable authoritarian entitlement with LEOs with poor to no training to acceptable standards in a system that enables and shields flagrant repeat offenders. The departments/agencies that display these characteristics do no service to those with impeccable ethical standards. Unfortunately for those, the self-oversight that should deal with it is lacking presence and ability to enforce ethical standards with the miscreants in the other agencies.

^ You guys really do 'get it', in terms of how people respond to situations like these deaths.

As for the quote below, I think the parts I put in bold pretty much show why this is still an issue. I realize that I have the privilege / right / luxury to be stopped by police and not be scared or fear for my life. My friends of color... not so much. I think that realizing what's not right is the first step to working on any problem. In situations like these, I keep hearing things like 'what was he doing there at that hour anyway' or 'he should have been polite to the cops'. WTF does that have to do with not being shot during a routine stop? I also wonder how those criticizing the victims would react if one of their family members were the ones laying on the ground dying or dead. Seriously, shooting somebody for non-compliance (in a situation where the safety of others isn't being threatened) should be the last resort. An unarmed citizen not threatening anyone is NOT a justification. What's that expression about the squeaky wheel getting the grease? I imagine those doing the rioting and protesting see their actions as being the squeaking that will hopefully get the grease.
Before anyone thinks I'm anti-police, I worked at a police dept, in an non-law enforcement capacity, for 13 years before moving to CA. I have a lot of respect for many cops, and quite a few are good friends of mine. The ones I didn't respect were typically bullies or just nasty people in general. Hearing how some of them talk about minorities would make most people I know cringe. Yeah, it's human nature, but those with these characteristics do not need to carry a gun and be in a position to take away the rights of others, including the right to live.

I'm not seeing what race has to do with this - except to the rioters. But I see it more like this: The locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens, the locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,he locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,he locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,he locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,he locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,he locals make it a race issue, and they take it personally, so they burn down their neighborhood and steal stuff in protest. Meanwhile, the cops are frustrated by runaway crime and guys resisting arrest so the adrenaline flows and they get carried away, and sometimes someone dies. And when that happens,

It's not about race so much as it is about people acting badly on both sides. Chris Rock made a video about this quite a while ago.

 

[David_NC]

Not to much stealing in Saudi Arabia either as they cut your hand off in the square, works for me. (still doing this in the 90's when I was there)

Saudi Arabia still executes men for being gay, so I'd not be putting them on any pillar.

 

[NH-MAN]

Saudi Arabia still executes men for being gay, so I'd not be putting them on any pillar.

We weren't talking about that

 

[David_NC]

No, it's not all of the back of the bad police officer. No matter what he did gives them an excuse for what they are doing. By using that logic then the people who got their property destroyed should be able to go out and take their anger out on others. I think that everyone knows that George didn't deserve to die but then again what most of these people are doing have nothing to do with George. They're using it as an excuse and it's a very poor one.

I think everybody knows that looting, etc isn't the right response. But let's look a tit this way. What would you do if your child or spouse was killed in this manner? How would you respond when police depts simply discipline internally with a demotion vs being criminally charged? Bear in mind that this isn't a one-off video of a cop killing a minority. I'm honestly curious.

 

[hjames]

In many areas this is why there has been a push to get cops out of their cars and onto their feet, as it used to be a very long time ago.

On a semi-related note: Remember when the oil embargo caused a national speed limit of 55 mph? I hated that for the same reason I hate some stuff going on this year. Back then, where the speed limit was 70, if you did 75 you were a "speeder" and it was frowned upon. Most people were not "speeders". But the 55 limit made "everyone" speeders. The result was to increase the "the cops are not your friends" attitude in our entire culture, and we live with it today. When a culture has tight and strongly enforced laws, the police are really nobody's friend.

Then again, I am a strong believer in this concept: The less virtuous a people, the greater its need for laws. In heaven, all intersections have yield signs.

There is a flip to this.
If you want to opress a people, establish a great number of laws which the common members of society will break to some degree.
They will generally stay quiet rather than risk get caught or displayed as a lawbreaker.