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My another one vintage speakers - Beovox 5702

Your XSim plots are very interesting, thanks for sharing. That impedance peak is quite high indeed.

I would also be interested in your thoughts on your new Mundorf MLytic caps, l have often wondered how good they are but have never used them.

The serial numbers of my 5700's are 14497 & 14498.
 
WOW! :beerchug: Back in about 1973, my he-man speakers were the JBL-C36-001's. They were louder than hell and low distortion which is all I cared about. THEN I heard a pair of 5700's at Gill Custom House in Palos Hills, IL. They were $1,200 US, fair-trade with no markdowns. I switched to those!! THAT was the day that I grew up as an audiophile. The finish was GORGEOUS. I have not heard them in years, but I bet that by today's standards they are still an EXCELLENT sounding speaker! That low crossed dome midrange was a real game-changer. My 15 IPS recordings of a wonderful woman singer, then sounded like she was standing in front of me! Good luck, and good job!
 
Also, some food for thought:
>When you add stuffing into a vented enclosure, which is what a PR basically is, the tuning frequency will drop as if you added cubic inches, or made it a bigger box and left the vent the same.
>What I used to do was weigh the stuffing with a postal scale. If you get that the same, and the woofers measure with the same parameters, the impedance will be so accurate that a pair of them on one graph will look like the impedance of one speaker.
 
I would also be interested in your thoughts on your new Mundorf MLytic caps, l have often wondered how good they are but have never used them.

After power caps replaced Beolab play louder and stronger. it is like I increased preamplifier level but I didn't touch input regulators. Low tones became fat and more powerful, but I give them few hours for heating.

Last night I also changed electrolytic crossover caps. I am still waiting for Alcap from the UK, but I temporarily used Elko / Jantzen.

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For the first time, something I do with Beovox 5702 has changed the upper frequencies. Everything I did improved the bass, exchanging condensers strengthened the treble.

I checked one more time crossover with schema and multimeter. Tweeter has inverted polarity in this type.

The serial numbers of my 5700's are 14497 & 14498.

Early serial numbers like in my 5702, I'm sure that 6229 and 5702 crossovers were first.
 
Also, some food for thought:
>When you add stuffing into a vented enclosure, which is what a PR basically is, the tuning frequency will drop as if you added cubic inches, or made it a bigger box and left the vent the same.
>What I used to do was weigh the stuffing with a postal scale. If you get that the same, and the woofers measure with the same parameters, the impedance will be so accurate that a pair of them on one graph will look like the impedance of one speaker.

Thanks !!! When I will replace caps with Alcaps I check weight of polyfill and try check "tuning frequency".
 
After power caps replaced Beolab play louder and stronger. it is like I increased preamplifier level but I didn't touch input regulators. Low tones became fat and more powerful, but I give them few hours for heating.

That is a very good outcome.

Last night I also changed electrolytic crossover caps. I am still waiting for Alcap from the UK, but I temporarily used Elko / Jantzen.
For the first time, something I do with Beovox 5702 has changed the upper frequencies. Everything I did improved the bass, exchanging condensers strengthened the treble.

I used those Jantzen's (MDL) in mine also. I have had very good results with them in many pairs of Beovox's, even though l realise they are a more budget orientated ecap. Glad to hear they opened up the highs. Will be interesting to see if the Alcap's make much difference.

Early serial numbers like in my 5702, I'm sure that 6229 and 5702 crossovers were first.

Makes sense, l just now noticed your friend's 5700's have a much later serial number.
 
One more thing. I have the impression that the 5702 could go lower with the bass than the M70. When I stand next to the loudspeaker and choose vinyl to play next and the music play low, I feel like my trouser legs are rubbing against my legs. WOW !! This is incredible.
 
You are really enjoying them by the sounds of things, yes they are pretty amazing. As l mentioned earlier in your thread, when l first got mine l wasn't impressed but after the work they were transformed. I wonder how many people just hear these in their "original" non restored state and write them off as being not so great.
 
Few weeks ago I talked with my friends from Denmark. He has Beolab 5000 with M100 speaker. He was at a garage saleand there was a pair of beovox 5700 for sale and he said "I heard them play and in my opinion the top and mid is a litle better than my m 100 but there is more bas on my m100". Those 5700 had drilled holes in the top of the sides on the cabinets.
So I think if he listened to 5700/5702 in excellent condition ... he would love them.
 
I tried to know why they inverted tweeter polarity and I found answer on another forum:

"Reversing the polarity of the tweeter simply changes the phase. What is phase? Phase indicates the relative time arrival of frequencies. Note the word 'relative'. If you had flat phase, it means all frequencies are arriving simultaneously. Crossovers introduce phase warps. Higher the order of the crossover, greater the change in phase.

In a typical two-way, you are looking for phase overlap between the two drivers in the crossover region. Remember that the total output at a frequency near the crossover is the vector sum of the woofer and tweeter output. So, if you have the tweeter output 180 degree out of phase with the woofer, you will get perfect cancellation. If it's in phase, meaning the phase responses of the two drivers overlap, you will get a perfect sum. If it's somewhere in between, you'll get non-perfect addition and subtraction as you move through the crossover region.

Ideally, you want the phase response of the drivers to overlap through the crossover region, maybe until the drivers are down by 24-30 db. This will give you a nice sum. Of course, as you get off-axis, you might notice a dip near the crossover. This means that at that frequency, your drivers are out of phase. This happens because relative to your measurement point, the drivers center to center distance has changed. For example, if you measure up, then the tweeter is closer than the woofer. This will cause the tweeter frequencies to arrive earlier than the woofer frequencies at this measurement point, i.e., a change in phase overlap.

So, when you reverse the polarity of the tweeter, all you are looking for is whether the phase overlap through the crossover region is better. Flipping the polarity changes the phase by 180 degrees at the crossover frequency -- kind of a crude tool, but a tool to improve the crossover nevertheless. Crossovers and other filters on the other hand can change the phase in smaller increments.

Flipping the polarity has nothing to do with compression and rarefaction of waves. If you experience a better "transient" response by flipping the polarity, what you are really experiencing is a better phase overlap, which results in a flatter response (less undulations through the crossover). If you have excellent phase overlap between the drivers, it can sound really good-- like a single driver -- and it will be almost impossible to tell where the crossover is."
 
Two days with Mundorf caps and Beolab sounds even better. Listening it was really good for ears but now... now it sound much better. If you remember I have comparation between Bemaster 5000 and Beomaster 5500.

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These systems are almost the same but is big difference in sound. Beomaster 5000 sounds much better. Beomaster 5500 like behind the pillow. Before caps replacement Beolab was like Beomaster 5000, really great, now I don't have comparison to other BeO system. I don't heard better BeO amplifier.

It's time to list the remaining capacitors and replace all on the PCB, and make preamplifier better.
 
It is from Beoworld:

But... if you look on BeO product calendar, 5702 was first, before 5700 :)

Beovox 5700 Types: 6229 (1972 - April 1974); 6253 (1972 - June 1975)
Beovox 5702 Types: 6257 (1971 - Jan 1975); GB 6251 (1971 - Oct 1973)

6257 is Studio Monitor for the danish broadcast (Danmarks Radio) to professional use. Without ABR but with 12" Seas woofer.

I have daily report from HiFishark with some audio parts. Today I received alarm with 5700. I opened it and... surprise !!!
 
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