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my sad collection of "New England" loudspeakers

Hmmm...let's see...

In the house:
AR-3
Advent/1
Advent/2
Allison Two
Avid 103
EPI T/E 70
KLH 6 (two pairs)

Gone:
KLH 17
KLH 32
original Advent
Advent/2
AR-4x

...and I'm always looking. - Mark
 
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Beautiful speakers. I'm intrigued and provoked by the term "New England" loudspeakers- didn't realize there was such a category, but excited to find out about it. I'm currently breaking in a pair of newer Cambridge Soundworks Model Sixes and Cambridge Soundworks Model Seventeens. Very pleased with the sound and imaging though I'm not as thrilled with the power handling. My Marantz 1060 integrated amp causes a ruckus of noise a touch past the volume halfway point (the 1060 is "old-skool rated at either 40 or 50 watts per channel- it's slipping my mind at the moment). Love your collection. As long as there's room, it's hard to argue one can ever have enough speakers...
 
My understanding of the "New England sound" is that it's a combination of sound, speaker type, and location/maker.

Obviously, they'd typically be made in the northeast, but sort of grew out of the Boston area, and specifically the Kloss/Villchur/Allison relationships. Ed Villchur and Henry Kloss founded Acoustic Research, Kloss left to start KLH and then Advent (and I think BA, Cambridge Soundworks...), Roy Allison came in to replace Kloss as VP. Allison later went on to make great speakers on his own as well.

Villchur came up with the concept and patent for the acoustic suspension ("sealed box") speaker. Kloss designed the original AR woofer. The system really was a change from the open box baffle with a hole that had been the norm, and was much less efficient (that is not necessarily a bad thing, but also really was the catalyst for the reciever "power wars"), but had a reputation for producing a much more realistic and lifelike sound. AR was famous for live vs. recorded tests.

The sound. To me, it's the 2-way acoustic suspension that is the essence of the New England sound, but obviously more complicated speakers were part of the scene (AR-3, etc). Maybe the 2-way is just the Kloss sound - probably my preference anyway. The reputation is for very tight, controlled bass, a slightly rolled off high end, and sort of a "musical" feel. Pretty much the opposite of horns.

There's lots of info on these speakers and companies at classicspeakerpages.net. But others that are smarter (which is just about everyone here) please feel free to disagree with or correct me on any point.

Not sure about power handling. That's always been sort of a recent meaningless marketing ploy to me. I could be completely wrong, but it sounds like you're clipping your amp rather than the speakers not being able to handle a certain amount of power.
 
That's a pretty good summary in all respects. Some folks find the bass of the classic AR acoustic suspension designs to be overdamped, but it can be very impressive indeed, especially from such a small box.

Villchur and Allison are both still alive, and were interviewed by Stereophile in the past year or so. I believe the interview is accessible to the unwashed public :-) -- i.e., those unwilling to plunk down $10 for a subscription to their rag -- on their website.

A commonly-quoted 'picture' of the New England (AR) sound is that it resembles the concert hall experience if one is seated mid-hall. The 'rolled off' nature is consistent with that metaphor. I like horns, and I like AR's, and own examples of both. The AR's are quite nice with symphonic works and will never sound objectionable; all the "New England" sound speakers are quite easy to listen to, IMO.

As to power handling, the fundamental trade-off between bass and cabinet size is at the expense of efficiency: AR-3's, for example, really do need lots of power for big, room-filling sound. Cheap amp power was just coming on-line at the dawn of the 1960's. The AR's do, however, sound quite nice in a nearfield environment with moderate power. I typically use my AR-3's and AR-14's with a push-pull EL84 stereo tube amp from a Magnavox console.
 
Hmm... lemme see here...

Advent original large The Advent Loudspeakers

AR3A (one speaker, an orphan, I'd love to find another orphan to make a pair)

Boston Acoustics A100 (awaiting foam surrounds)

EPI A70
EPI 105
EPI 120C

Genesis Physics I
Genesis Physics I+ (awaiting foam surrounds)
Genesis Physics 10

Polk RTA-12 (with the Peerless tweeter)

And (even though they're a little less old-school, they're a pretty early set) Cambridge Soundworks Ensemble.


Since these are all I have, it looks like I don't actually *have* any non-east-coast-sound speakers... I should fix this someday... :)
 
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wank said:
Kloss left to start KLH and then Advent (and I think BA, Cambridge Soundworks...),

Boston Acoustics was founded by Frank Reed & Andy Kotsatos.

Andy learned his craft from Henry Kloss but Kloss had no tie to the founding.
 
Both Reed and Kotsatos were from Advent (and, IIRC, at least one of them was also from KLH). One of them, IIRC, was the "voicing engineer" (ie, he set the "tonal balance" of prototypes for production), and the other was the marketing manager for Advent...

Regards,
Gordon.
 
GordonW said:
One of them, IIRC, was the "voicing engineer" (ie, he set the "tonal balance" of prototypes for production),

Regards,
Gordon.

That would be Andy.

"Andy learned his craft from Henry Kloss but Kloss had no tie to the founding."
 
I have enjoyed this thread! I am rather proud of my little collection of New England sound speakers and my Henry Kloss connected equipment for that matter. It has actually just happened by mistake because I didn't actively search it out specifically. It was mostly found at thrifts with just a couple of exceptions from Ebay

KLH Speaker Models- 30 (rare) - 26 - 24 - 23 - 20 - 19 - 7 (Also rare)
Advent Speaker Models- Original Large Advents (2 Pair) Plus one orphan
Advents From the Jensen era - Legacy II (2 pair) - Prodigy Towers - 2002
OHM Model L's
AR 2Ax's
EPI TE 100's (2 pair if we count these)

Electronics - Advent 300 receiver - Advent 201 Cassette Deck - KLH Model Eighteen Tuner and a Model Twenty system.

As you can see I have a pretty good accidental collection! :thmbsp: I suppose I could get really serious and it could turn into something pretty interesting! Of course I would need some KLH 17's, 6's, and 5's also I need a KLH 21 and an Advent 400 radio. The KLH receivers would add something too! :yes: Well who knows whats next! Best! Franksta
 
I'd love to get hold of an Advent 300... for the phono preamp, if nothing else.

Also an APT Holman preamp, but that's a little too far off-topic for this thread! :-)

PS. I am stunned -- stunned -- by the number of collections of these fine ol' speakers there are out there in AK-land. Think of how much fuller the landfills would be without us!
 
mhardy6647 said:
Also an APT Holman preamp, but that's a little too far off-topic for this thread! :-)

OT reply - put it on your epay watch list. They pop fairly regularly. However, the price is all over the map. Sometimes they go for close to the listed price & other times there is a frenzy on them. Sometimes they are just listed under APT.
 
Really interesting thread! I really appreciate the history behind some of these great manufacturers. Does anyone know the history behind Ohm?
 
soundtravels said:
Really interesting thread! I really appreciate the history behind some of these great manufacturers. Does anyone know the history behind Ohm?

That would be part of the "my sad collection of NY/LI loudspeakers" thread yet to be started.....

Add to that -

Harman-Kardon
Pilot
Fisher
Empire
& I am sure a raft of others
 
Well, I just racooned the woogers on a set of BA-40s and hooked them up in the family room as my glorious 2 channel HT setup. I'm driving them with my HK 430 and they sound VERY nice for a smaller set. Nice bass, smooth mids and clear highs, these guys are nice compact keepers.
Playing old Christmas music on them and Nat, Dino, and Bing sound wonderful
 
Only two sets, which to buy?

Excellent thread, thanks for the explantion of the "New England" sound.

Well this pretty much puts me in a bad predicament, I've gone broke in 2005 epaying 70'ties Pioneer, Thorens and HH Scott gear so guess I be broke in 2006 too looking for more gear. Man is this a bad hobby to have gotten myself into.

Note to self, remember to save money for electricity and food! :D

Question for all, if you were going to buy two sets and only two sets (I have to have some kind of limit), which of the New England manufactures speaker models would you buy? The ole' stuck on an island dilemma...
 
How 'bout a pair of AR-10pi's? :-)

Or the KLH electrostatics (was it KLH Model 9?). Peter Brueninger is hoping (trying) to re-hab a pair for a review for Stereophile.

oh, oh... I know! You should really get yourself a pair of EPI 1000's. They really are quite impressive, and not just in size...
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sipuser said:
Question for all, if you were going to buy two sets and only two sets (I have to have some kind of limit), which of the New England manufactures speaker models would you buy? The ole' stuck on an island dilemma...

Two may get you some variety, but one I think would undisputably have to be a set of Large Advents in any of their incarnations.
 
sipuser said:
Question for all, if you were going to buy two sets and only two sets (I have to have some kind of limit), which of the New England manufactures speaker models would you buy? The ole' stuck on an island dilemma...

Dunno for sure, but it'd probably be among these contenders:

Epicure (EPI) Model 15 (8" 2-way with 12" passive radiator):
http://www.humanspeakers.com/e/epicure-15.htm

or, the Genesis III/III+ (8" 3-way with passive radiator):
http://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen3.htm

Or, possibly the Cizek 1... 10" 2-way (IMHO, the very best balanced 10" 2-way of all).
http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=49&mesg_id=49&page=

Of course, if someone wanted to drop a bi-amped pair of ADS 1530s into my lap, they'd probably have to make it to that deserted island with me... :D

Regards,
Gordon.
 
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