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Racks that require break in and drastic changes

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Let me say again that Lamm showed their products at CES this year on those racks. Someone, somewhere, likes those racks. You won't have to look very far to find the esteem in which Lamm products are held in the industry.

I'm not sure what you paid for your house is relevant, Mark. My system costs as much as the house I was raised in. So what.
 
You right Art since this rack will never be a part of the world I live in I shouldn't even waste my time commenting on it.

I appologize for my narrow minded cheap assed comments.


Carry on
 
Frankly, the price paid doesn't mean anything to me. What interests me is how the rack apparently entirely removes portions of the music, rather than subtly changing components of the sound. Not only that, but how it seems to cycle these removals/reductions. If it was a breaking in of materials in the rack, I could envision the frequency response having subtle changes (maybe?) but I would anticipate as the material broke in, that the frequency would move in a consistent direction. What is happening almost implies that the properties of the materials in the rack are randomly morphing. Not only that, they are having a more profound effect than covering a tweeter with a solid object or even turning the speakers backwards, possibly even as much as placing the speakers in an entirely different room in the house will listening from the original room. Descriptions like "The bass is gone, like the subwoofer has been turned off" to me are beyond my comprehension.

If after 300 hours, or whatever is necessary, it works out, more power to the OP.

Art, Lamm does make some fantastic sounding gear and they are bright enough to use Plitron toroidal outputs in their tube gear. That says something for them.
 
dnewma04 said:
What interests me is how the rack apparently entirely removes portions of the music, rather than subtly changing components of the sound. Not only that, but how it seems to cycle these removals/reductions. If it was a breaking in of materials in the rack, I could envision the frequency response having subtle changes (maybe?) but I would anticipate as the material broke in, that the frequency would move in a consistent direction. What is happening almost implies that the properties of the materials in the rack are randomly morphing. Not only that, they are having a more profound effect than covering a tweeter with a solid object or even turning the speakers backwards, possibly even as much as placing the speakers in an entirely different room in the house will listening from the original room. Descriptions like "The bass is gone, like the subwoofer has been turned off" to me are beyond my comprehension.
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This is what I'm curious about too. This seems to be something that's beyond me (pricewise, obviously), but I'd love to know just how extreme these changes are to naive ears like mine.

Would be an interesting topic for a SMAC meeting: high-end tweaks.
 
dnewma04 said:
Frankly, the price paid doesn't mean anything to me. What interests me is how the rack apparently entirely removes portions of the music, rather than subtly changing components of the sound. Not only that, but how it seems to cycle these removals/reductions. If it was a breaking in of materials in the rack, I could envision the frequency response having subtle changes (maybe?) but I would anticipate as the material broke in, that the frequency would move in a consistent direction. What is happening almost implies that the properties of the materials in the rack are randomly morphing. Not only that, they are having a more profound effect than covering a tweeter with a solid object or even turning the speakers backwards, possibly even as much as placing the speakers in an entirely different room in the house will listening from the original room. Descriptions like "The bass is gone, like the subwoofer has been turned off" to me are beyond my comprehension.
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I'm interested in that as well and that's one of the reasons I will continue to watch this thread.
 
Please tell me that someone on this thread is close enough to Atlanta, GA. to make a quick trip down. I really want someone else to hear this. If not someone on this thread then maybe you know a audio guy who doesn't care to get on here. I have no idea what it'll be doing when and if someone makes a trip but feel pretty sure that what ever its doing if they stay for a hour or two it will change it up to a noticeable degree. Please tell me that someone is close and willing to listen.
 
Do this rack contains active components?
Is every shelf design for the component it supports?
How do they know what is best for each of your components?
Is your very nice and expensive system susceptible to tiny vibration?
Can the rack eliminate the internal vibration in the components?

I am not telling my opinion just have honest questions.
 
Mark W. said:
And I would assume after this thread the ONLY ONE that will ever (of those reading this) that will go near these racks.

By the way just a point of reference. the $17.000.00 paid for this rack thing is equal to 1/3 of what I paid for my house in 1988.
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What's your house worth now is the question for comparitive purposes, and $17000 to me is different for you and all other members. Out of my league, but I hope it works out for the OP, I also hope he is a good member and lets us know if it does not!
Respectfully,
Jim
 
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beerdraft said:
For me it is about what happens when it is done since I was warned about this break in prior to dropping the $$$. Either way I'm most likely stuck with these racks unless they just sound bad and never stop messing with my sound. Who is going to buy these used and if they work, who would sell. I can wait 300 hours if it is an improvement but if I just spent $17k and went through 300 hours of the most bizarre things with my sound and it isn't much of an improvement I will be very disappointed and feel like a real num-skull. Either way, you guys will hear about it good or bad. Also, if any of you are close enough to Georgia for a road trip, feel free, I've had many audio guys from the state and or out of state come visit me. I don't try to sway anyone one way or the other. If I like something or am dumb-founded by something like this which is obviously some technology that most all of us have seemingly never heard of nor want to believe in, well I just like to put it out there.
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I'm impressed with your desire to invest in improving your system and I hope it works out for you. I've seen people bet a lot more on a hand of cards and come up short. They are great looking stands non the less, and your rig is impressive as well.
Respectfully,
Jim
 
AngelRa said:
Do this rack contains active components?
Is every shelf design for the component it supports?
How do they know what is best for each of your components?
Is your very nice and expensive system susceptible to tiny vibration?
Can the rack eliminate the internal vibration in the components?

I am not telling my opinion just have honest questions.
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-The shelf is designed to any size only specified by you. If in the case of amps you have to specify if heavy amps. My amps wouldn't go on same shelf even if it would fit because of weight. That is why there is a surcharge for the amp stands from what I understand, they are not only larger but made to support more weight with filtering material I think, not 100% sure.
-According to this all equipment is susceptible to tiny vibrations from walls shaking, floor, and just the airborn energy of your music playing and yes it finds the equilibrium of your component supposedly and then dis-allows any of that energy from interfering with your component producing its signal. They say that a lot of things that we generally tend to write off as a room acoustic problem will be fixed with this rack and it's not always the room.
-yes it is suppose to eliminate internal vibrations that interfere with performance. I hope it works to a level I can hear the difference because that is what I paid for.

By the way, I've said it before. They warn you that this changing in sound is the process you must go through to get to this point so if you're not patient enough to go through the break in then no need to purchase because it's unpredictable what your sound will be like for 300 hours. I can attest to the unpredictable part at-least for now.
 
Is there a plausible explanation for going in and out of phase if (presumably) none of the connections are being changed?
 
beerdraft said:
By the way, I've said it before. They warn you that this changing in sound is the process you must go through to get to this point so if you're not patient enough to go through the break in then no need to purchase because it's unpredictable what your sound will be like for 300 hours. I can attest to the unpredictable part at-least for now.
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Mebbe I missed it, but what if you're not satisfied after the 300 hours? Is it tough luck since you've been "warned" or can you get money back, or?
 
whoaru99 said:
Mebbe I missed it, but what if you're not satisfied after the 300 hours? Is it tough luck since you've been "warned" or can you get money back, or?
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Never crossed my mind. I never asked. I will pose the question but I don't think there is a return policy. I think Running Springs Audio has a money back promise in place but not sure how it works. I would think I'm stuck with these racks good, bad, or in-different.
 
So once the racks are broken in are you planning to take your gear off of them to hear what kind of difference they're making?
 
marqueemoon said:
So once the racks are broken in are you planning to take your gear off of them to hear what kind of difference they're making?
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No way man. The only way I'm taking this stuff off these racks is if it never quits messing with my sound. If its the same as before the racks and consistent then the racks stay and I will be really upset with myself for wasting money. Kind of like the last time I went gambling and lost $$$$$ and only come back with a few t-shirts and a pair of shoes for my wife. I will remember what my system sounded like prior to the racks. I'm still kind-of young so the memory is strong. I know it was an immediate improvement upon putting them on the racks over my old racks but that only lasted the first 4 hours or so then the next day it was always changing from that point on. I would've been happy with what I heard that first 4 hours, if it gets back to that or beyond that then I will be in great shape.
 
Do you happen to know if replacing a component would cause the 300 hour break in to happen again because of the different size/weight/etc of the new component? Further, would removing the components cause the breakin to reverse slowly?
 
Mark W. said:
And I would assume after this thread the ONLY ONE that will ever (of those reading this) that will go near these racks.

By the way just a point of reference. the $17.000.00 paid for this rack thing is equal to 1/3 of what I paid for my house in 1988.
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Tacky joke deleted.
jimmy
 
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dnewma04 said:
Do you happen to know if replacing a component would cause the 300 hour break in to happen again because of the different size/weight/etc of the new component? Further, would removing the components cause the breakin to reverse slowly?
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Joe told me once the rack reaches equilibrium you can change anything you want and only suffer up to a 48 hour break in and sometimes as little as 2 to 4 hours. He explained a lot more than I just gave you but I didn't really understand it anyway so I just took in the "You can change and max 48 hour". That was definitely a question as I wouldn't want to endure this every-time for sure.
 
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