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Record Cleaning: Developing the Best Possible Methods

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Thanks Vince for all the great info! I'm really appreciative of the effort and the cleaning mix is the bomb and works great for me! Safe travels and I'm sure I'll stumble on your advice somewhere down the road as I feel you really do like to help people out! :thumbsup:
 
Well, shoot. I'd set this thread aside to read through when I had more time as it looked rather interesting, and it's probably no surprise I'm a sucker for conversations with scientific reasoning. If anyone can PM whatever the latest incarnation of @Vince1's formula was, I'd appreciate it.
 
Attention anyone reading, or commenting on this thread......


Just wth is going on? Why did the theophile unsubscribe? Why did vince leave?

Why is civility so difficult?
This is about as angry as I get here, and that's saying something.

We are all searching for cleaner vinyl, correct?

We all know our mantra, right? All audio, no attitude?

And aren't we all adults?

If vince has left, I'm very frustrated by this. Mass exodus last year was bad enough.

Cmon, people.
 
And rydelaplayer, I only suggest glue when all other methods fail.
it's just another tool, and I'm not concerned if my 50cent copy of some marginal album that was beaten and unusable fails to last another 50 years
 
Maybe the grooves were scrubbed right off their vinyl.:)

Seriously, cleaning records is not rocket science. And, folks on YouTube who post these elaborate cleaning rituals in many cases are trying to achieve the impossible. There sometimes are scratched on thrift store vinyl that, no matter how you scrub, no matter what your cleaning rituals and formulas are, well, unless you can figure out a way to buff out scratches, there really is nothing that can be done.

Using a cleaned record in conjunction with things such as a disc stabilizer (yes, a slightly warped piece of vinyl can cause clicks and pops), and maybe a conical stylus with a carbon fiber cantilever, can really help.

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Rip by the magic of the Admin's the post that were all deleted by one of the chemist who is a member here has been replaced under the name of guest. I personally failed to understand why anyone would have objected to his post but we all have different ways of looking at post and sometimes people read into post things that were not really intended. No one was obligated to use the formula, and if anyone feels that their way is the best way, go ahead and do it your way as they are your records.

All I have to say is :jump: glad the good parts of the thread were restored!
 
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Rip by the magic of the Admin's the post that were all deleted by one of the chemist who is a member here has been replaced under the name of guest. I personally failed to understand why anyone would have objected to his post but we all have different ways of looking at post and sometimes people read into post things that were not really intended. No one was obligated to use the formula, and if anyone feels that their way is the best way, go ahead and do it your way as they are your records.
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Ah, ok, thanks...didn't make the connection...the posts had all been removed last time I looked yesterday.

I don't get what all the fuss is about either, but posting anything on the WWW requires a thick skin because some people will argue over anything for any reason. Vince1's recipe isn't groundbreaking but his insistence that it is the only safe method rubbed some people the wrong way. I can't choose sides here because I believe that every problem has it's own solution, but I can agree that the mixture he propose is effective 99% of the time...the remainder requires more creative solutions.

Hope he decides to come back. Shame to lose any knowledgeable contributor over such minor disputes as this.
 
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Mods... thanks for restoring the meaningful posts.

I used to consider AK to be the friendliest, least snobbish audio forum on the web. I'm not sure it is anymore (although it's still my favorite). Didn't we lose Ken Kantor over this kind of crabbiness?

If it's not against AK rules, can someone say which forum Vince went to?
 
I believe I know, but I'm holding out.

For the long-time members, I expect better behavior (tho I'm not pointing at anyone in particular).

We are supposed to not only practice good behavior, but also encourage good behavior.

Losing vince1, tomlinmgt, BigErik, and countless others is very much our loss. A wealth of knowledge we should champion, not pick apart and run off.

To paraphrase Ghandi, be the change you wish to see at AK.

Thanks, everyone.
 
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I believe I know, but I'm holding out.

For the long-time members, I expect better behavior (tho I'm not pointing at anyone in particular).

We are supposed to not only practice good behavior, but also encourage good behavior.

Losing vince1, tomlingmt, BigErik, and countless others is very much our loss. A wealth of knowledge we should champion, not pick apart and run off.

To paraphrase Ghandi, be the change you wish to see at AK.

Thanks, everyone.
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Couldn't Agree More. I got so much from Vince on this thread. This ticked me off. I'll keep my comments about the perpetrator to myself
 
Did we lose Michael (tomlingmt)? I know he use to post a lot but I don't recall any threads where he seemed upset. I just saw a few post in Barter town he posted the other day. I think he owned a business and sometimes that is more than a full time job, hell sometimes its more than 2 full times jobs.
 
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I'm pretty tight with Michael, and he's taken his thoughts and opinions to another place. Invited me, and I joined, but AK is my home. I wish him well, great guy.
 
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And rydelaplayer, I only suggest glue when all other methods fail.
it's just another tool, and I'm not concerned if my 50cent copy of some marginal album that was beaten and unusable fails to last another 50 years
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Oh I absolutely agree. It's a last resort to see if a flea-market-find can be rescued to listenable condition.

And in fact, it did an excellent job on all three I used it on. Although there was that sinking feeling I had ruined Buffett when it didn't peel off as planned - but luckily I had not.

I wouldn't dare (even need to for that matter) use wood glue on 95% of my records anyway, since almost all were either bought new-sealed or NOS-sealed.
 
Absolutely agree, if what you have is new.
95 pct of mine are bargain bin, so.......they get scrubbed, and hard.
Glue should be absolute last resort.
 
Most of the pops and cracks, even after extensive cleaning, are from vinyl scratches, or using a more resonant stylus, such as an elliptical. I am not quite sure why very few seem to pick up on this. You can clean these things till your fingers are blue, but dust and particles are only part of the problem.
 
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