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Is it an option, which is fairly normal, or an upcharge :idea:

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If the unit has the balance capability built in but can only be accessed by buying a Forkbead module, I see that as an upcharge. But that's just my view. I knew the Freya didn't have a balance control before I bought it so it was far from a deal breaker.
 
If the unit has the balance capability built in but can only be accessed by buying a Forkbead module, I see that as an upcharge. But that's just my view. I knew the Freya didn't have a balance control before I bought it so it was far from a deal breaker.
But the balance control is part of the optional module, its not unlocked by the module. In my tiny brain cell that seems like an option and not an upcharge :dunno:
 
I didn't know that. But I really wasn't interested in Forkbeard so I didn't really investigate.

But I'm also not a fan of extra capability being hidden behind an upcharge.
Stepped attenuator volume controls don't need a balance control as they are nearly perfectly balanced channel to channel, while old carbon trace/wiper potentiometers really need a one as they can be way off channel to channel... However it is nice to have balance control to correct room deficiencies.
 
But the balance control is part of the optional module, its not unlocked by the module. In my tiny brain cell that seems like an option and not an upcharge :dunno:
This ^ : it is a program on the forkbeard's chip, so I consider it an option (and Schiit call it just that too).
 
But the chip cannot change the balance unless the device allows it to and has this possibility built in. Sure, the chip will tell Freya to lower the left or right channel by x dB, but it can't do this unless the Freya is already built in such a way that its channels have independent volume controls and can be controlled separately. In which case, why not add the knob, too?
I think balance control should be a basic feature of any preamp, not a separate option. Not everyone has a perfect room and a perfect place in it for the speakers. Other equalizing settings may be optional and may indeed be sold separately, but L/R balance should be part of the basic function of any preamp worth its salt.
 
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My "Normal" listening volume on all three of my Freya's is at straight up "12 o'clock" on the dial... I never turn them up past "2 o'clock"- they get loud fast after 1:30...
yes, it does. like 2 clicks will be a large difference. 3 clicks is like whoa, sometimes.
im normally playing between 12 and 1ish. ery once in awhile, ill hit that 2 mark for a bit.
 
But the chip cannot change the balance unless the device allows it to and has this possibility built in. Sure, the chip will tell Freya to lower the left or right channel by x dB, but it can't do this unless the Freya is already built in such a way that its channels have independent volume controls and can be controlled separately. In which case, why not add the knob, too?
I think balance control should be a basic feature of any preamp, not a separate option. Not everyone has a perfect room and a perfect place in it for the speakers. Other equalizing settings may be optional and may indeed be sold separately, but L/R balance should be part of the basic function of any preamp worth its salt.
I think it is all designed into the little micro processor they use to control the functions (probably how they set the balance to begin with) and it uses a boat load of resistors on the right side of the circuit board to to change the volume. They change the design of the circuit board all the time- I have seen them marked as Freya+ 1.0 (my 1st one) / Freya+ 1.01 / Freya+ 1.10 (my second one) / Freya+ 2.0 (my third one with Forkbeard).

All my old preamps/integrated amps have had balance pots and they have all been troublesome at one time or another (channels dropping out), and I never used them to begin with, so I don't mind the Freya+ not having one.
 
I wouldn't assume Forkbeard for the Freya+ includes balance. Might want to run that by Schiit support. (My Freya+ is pre-FB so I can't confirm it one way or the other.)

If a knob is a requirement, get a Sys and use it on one channel. Same $50 as Forkbeard (except of course FB has more functions than just balance).
 
I wouldn't assume Forkbeard for the Freya+ includes balance. Might want to run that by Schiit support. (My Freya+ is pre-FB so I can't confirm it one way or the other.)

If a knob is a requirement, get a Sys and use it on one channel. Same $50 as Forkbeard (except of course FB has more functions than just balance).
I'm going to go check mine in a minute-- I know for sure that my Mimir Dac has EQ and balance controls via forkbeard...
 
But the chip cannot change the balance unless the device allows it to and has this possibility built in. Sure, the chip will tell Freya to lower the left or right channel by x dB, but it can't do this unless the Freya is already built in such a way that its channels have independent volume controls and can be controlled separately. In which case, why not add the knob, too?
I think balance control should be a basic feature of any preamp, not a separate option. Not everyone has a perfect room and a perfect place in it for the speakers. Other equalizing settings may be optional and may indeed be sold separately, but L/R balance should be part of the basic function of any preamp worth its salt.
You just classified 90-95% of $1100 tube preamps as not worth their salt. So what $1100 tube preamp checks the same boxes and includes tone controls?
 
I think it is all designed into the little micro processor they use to control the functions (probably how they set the balance to begin with) and it uses a boat load of resistors on the right side of the circuit board to to change the volume. They change the design of the circuit board all the time- I have seen them marked as Freya+ 1.0 (my 1st one) / Freya+ 1.01 / Freya+ 1.10 (my second one) / Freya+ 2.0 (my third one with Forkbeard).

All my old preamps/integrated amps have had balance pots and they have all been troublesome at one time or another (channels dropping out), and I never used them to begin with, so I don't mind the Freya+ not having one.
Ditto for my power amps with input trimmers.
 
So with Forkbeard and the Freya+ you can choose each of the three modes passive/differential/tube gain, select inputs (1 thru 5) and control the volume--there is NO balance control (I have that in my Mimir DAC).
And if you drop your phone or tablet it won't explode like the little remotes do!
 
So with Forkbeard and the Freya+ you can choose each of the three modes passive/differential/tube gain, select inputs (1 thru 5) and control the volume--there is NO balance control (I have that in my Mimir DAC).

So all it does is mimic everything the remote does.
 
I didn't know that. But I really wasn't interested in Forkbeard so I didn't really investigate.

But I'm also not a fan of extra capability being hidden behind an upcharge.
The Forkbeard module is $50. Forkbeard software updates are free, and will always be free.
 
So all it does is mimic everything the remote does.
It depends. Forkbeard capabilities vary according to the device it's used with. An analog based product does less, while a digital based product can have greater Forkbeard capabilities, since those features can be implemented digitally. So, while Forkbeard can't add a Balance control feature to an analog preamp, it can add Balance features to a DAC. Preamps, amps, EQs and DACs, all have differing capabilities with Forkbeard, that will work in conjunction with one another, as a whole, which is how the software is designed to work. Each Forkbeard device will stack on top of each other, as new Forkbeard enabled gear is added to a system. A symbiotic relationship.
 
So all it does is mimic everything the remote does.
It depends on the peice of equipment- for the Freya+ it does mirror the remote, but my Mimir the forkbeard module adds EQ, balance, and Loudness which is something I wish all preamps had !
 
It depends on the peice of equipment- for the Freya+ it does mirror the remote, but my Mimir the forkbeard module adds EQ, balance, and Loudness which is something I wish all preamps had !
On the other hand - if the signal chain of my Freya+ was digital, it would be someone else’s Freya+. I find it reassuring that if my Freya was a month newer, it would have an empty FB socket and still have a purely analog signal path without a pot or any point to point wiring dependent on some foreign national wage slave having a good day to get it right. My Emo and Jolida Chifi power amps have all been moved on. When the total cost of repair and shipping exceeds what I pay for it, it goes as a fixer. I still have 6 out of 6 pieces of new Schiit, the 7th piece I bought used.
 
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