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Skyfall

I don't know, its been a few years since I read them, but reading Fleming's novels I got a sense there was a brutality available in Bond when it was needed. But Craig doesn't have the suave sense of Connery, I'll give you that.
If wishes were ... I'd never give up on Connery as the One True Bond - but I think Craig is the best Second we've had ...
 
Did he look old because he was supposed to (he DID get "killed" in the beginning. That can make one look weary)?

Is the suit cut to match the changing style trends (ties are getting thinner, clothes are pushing towards the "Austin Powers look" again, etc.)?

I'm trying to get the Mama's boy thing, but I just can't grasp it form watching the film only once.

I'll admit to not reading the books, but I always thought Bond was supposed to be a bad-ass mo-fo, licensed to kill, not some twink who could break-dance in mud in a tuxedo while shooting criminals and not get a spot of dirt on him (or be out of breath).

Craig's role seems to have gotten away from that nonsense and I think he does pretty well.
 
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"I'm trying to get the Mama's boy thing, but I just can't grasp it form watching the film only once. "

Yeah, I'm just not seeing it either. I really enjoy the Connery Bond films too, but the others really didn't do it for me. I think Craig is excellent; as cold and ruthless as any Bond but not one dimensional in that regard.
 
jimfet said:
I have also come to see, the only difference between Connery, Craig, and myself, is that I would get hit by bullets. Of course that goes for Arnie, Sly and the rest of them.
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I've been shot at more than once and felt the heat of the bullets as they whizzed by, but never been hit. And people always gush over me in my tux. Maybe they should give me a shot at "Bond". :D

(For me, it's Connery at 1 and Brosnan at 2.)
 
I've seen a lot of Daniel Craig - from the British miniseries, "Our Friends In the North", through Tomb Raider, Layer Cake, Archangel, Munich, and yeah, Cowboys & Aliens. He's not got a huge spread of acting chops, but certainly more than Keanu ...

"Trying to be tough but can't" -
Sheesh, that whole parkour (free running) sequence chasing that would be bomber/suspect at the start of Casino is awesome - jumping to the crane and almost misses -= has to grunt and pull himself up ... then the end of the sequence where he just shoots the guy - THAT is Tough!

I don't get the Mama's boy thing either ...
I think you're stuck on Connery as Bond ...

botrytis said:
Lazenby was the pretty boy Bond - Moore wat the tongue in cheek Bond - Dalton was aggrivation Bond - Craig is the mama's boy Bond (trying to be tough but just can't do it). There is not a suave and sophisticated bone in his body. If you watched Cowboys and Aliens, you saw Bond. He is the Keanu Reeves of Bond actors - one emotion and doesn't do it well.

You know Ian Fleming changed where James Bond was born and raised after watching Sean Connery play Bond.
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Maybe's its because I didn't grow up with Connery as Bond (born into Moore-era), but I never understood the all-out worship. I like him as Bond, but I don't get what makes him so legendary.
 
He's more intimidating physically than any of the other Bonds, but not as polished as Connery was. Moore was comic relief and Dalton IMO had real promise but wasn't given the chance to develop. I never cared for Brosnon.
 
When I was a kid my dad and I saw all the Sean Connery Bond films...loved all of them, and Connery was THE 60's Bond! When Connery left the series I left the series!!! I didn't like any of the newer Bonds....and the movies became increasingly "lame." Maybe I was just getting older. Anyway, was very happy with Daniel Craig being chosen for the new films (ever since seeing Layer Cake, I thought Craig a fine actor). Really enjoyed Casino Royale, tolerated Quantum, and loved Skyfall. Looking forward to the next chapter....
 
"(ever since seeing Layer Cake, I thought Craig a fine actor). Really enjoyed Casino Royale, tolerated Quantum, and loved Skyfall."

My thoughts exactly!
 
I wonder how Viggo Mortensen would be as Bond? He was great, but not Bond-like, in History Of Violence and Eastern Promises. I can see it though...
 
As I long time Bond fan, I propose that it is not the actor, but the script that is the problem. I saw the first Bond film "Dr No" at the drive-in when I was in high school, have seen every film since and own all of them on DVD. I have read all of the Ian Fleming books and in my opinion, the film that most closely follows the book and character is "From Russia With Love". After that, with "Goldfinger" we started to get into gimmicks and action. Soon the films strayed away from good writing (and the book) and suspense to chases and explosions. Of course, there are now many more movies than books and we have strayed from the character and inspiration we once had. What is missing in the non-Fleming films is the organized crime syndicate of SPECTRE or the villain who wants world domination such as Blofeld. It seems to be so much easier to have chases, fights and blow things up than it is to write a good script. Until they come up with a Bond film with a good, engrossing plot, it does not matter who plays him.
 
hjames said:
I've seen a lot of Daniel Craig - from the British miniseries, "Our Friends In the North"
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Yeah that really was good.

I liked Skyfall, not quite as good as Casino Royale, but then that was based on a Fleming novel. Craig makes a great Bond. You get a sense that he's only 90% bulletproof rather 100% like all the other Bonds.
 
HTHMAN said:
As I long time Bond fan, I propose that it is not the actor, but the script that is the problem. I saw the first Bond film "Dr No" at the drive-in when I was in high school, have seen every film since and own all of them on DVD. I have read all of the Ian Fleming books and in my opinion, the film that most closely follows the book and character is "From Russia With Love". After that, with "Goldfinger" we started to get into gimmicks and action. Soon the films strayed away from good writing (and the book) and suspense to chases and explosions. Of course, there are now many more movies than books and we have strayed from the character and inspiration we once had. What is missing in the non-Fleming films is the organized crime syndicate of SPECTRE or the villain who wants world domination such as Blofeld. It seems to be so much easier to have chases, fights and blow things up than it is to write a good script. Until they come up with a Bond film with a good, engrossing plot, it does not matter who plays him.
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QFT! Great Post!
 
Or it could be that SPECTRE or a world-domination plot begins to seem contrived and predictable after so many attempts...? At least that is my thinking. I like a Bond that I can believe exists in the real world. An attainable hero, not some super-spy who lives in a world not too far removed from Austin Powers. The reason Austin Powers was so successful was that so many of the Bond films existed on contrivance and ridiculous coincidences and assumptions. I like a world where a villain would just shoot Bond instead of putting him on a table to slowly be cut in half by a laser after the villain has left the room to only assume his overly complicated death-contraption worked.
 
One thing is for sure; be it any Bond from 50 years ago to now, the character and the actor are fictional, and were written into books, then movie scripts, then manipulated at the hands of various directors.

What we got at the end all depends of the best villains, and the aggravated seriousness of the reality versus fiction.

'Skyfall' is actually the very best movie of all the Bond's films, period! ...Well, along with Casino.
And Craig is actually the best 007 ever, and period!

It's not a personal question of taste; it's a scientific fact, and proven over the entire population of today's people in today's world.

Anything else than what I just said above is simply cheap whiskey. ;)
 
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...and of course disclosing the nefarious plot down to the last detail because Bond will be dead in a few minutes anyway....

that said I love the classic "Do you expect me to talk?"

'No Mr. Bond, I expect you to DIE!"
 
JohnVF said:
Or it could be that SPECTRE or a world-domination plot begins to seem contrived and predictable after so many attempts...? At least that is my thinking. I like a Bond that I can believe exists in the real world. An attainable hero, not some super-spy who lives in a world not too far removed from Austin Powers. The reason Austin Powers was so successful was that so many of the Bond films existed on contrivance and ridiculous coincidences and assumptions. I like a world where a villain would just shoot Bond instead of putting him on a table to slowly be cut in half by a laser after the villain has left the room to only assume his overly complicated death-contraption worked.
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:thmbsp:

Austin Powers killed that side of Bond, maybe that's the reason we got the reboots in the first place, that and the success of the Bourne movies, either way it's a good thing.
 
prisoners said:
...Layer Cake...
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That one convinced me Craig was a fine actor and capable of doing "Bond". I agree--it's the scripts, more than the actor.

I'm hoping to live long enough to forget "Live and Let Die". But as a highschool-aged usher for 200 plays, I doubt that's possible. :smoke:
 
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