The NFL needs more commercials.

[onwardjames]

I despise TV advertising but the last NFL straw for me was the Michael Vick thing.
There's not enough rehabilitative hell in this world.......
The National Football League betrayed the whole human race when they let that poor excuse play again.
They can play back to back ads for all I care, I'm done with it.

Amen to this as well.
As the owner of two beautiful, friendly and happy pit bulls, nothing can erase that stain for me, personally.

 

[dew042]

I despise TV advertising but the last NFL straw for me was the Michael Vick thing.
There's not enough rehabilitative hell in this world.......
The National Football League betrayed the whole human race when they let that poor excuse play again.
They can play back to back ads for all I care, I'm done with it.

I get your anger, but I certainly hope that if I (or for that matter you) ever make a big mistake in life that I will be afforded a second chance after making amends/doing my time.

I don't see how a scorched earth policy does anything productive for anyone involved. I grow tired of the tyranny of public opinion calling for everyone's head based on some righteous zealotry and the deafening screaming mob. We've collectively gotten very good with the judging and moral indignity part and not so good at actually working for change and personally doing something positive in life.

In the end, I don't really think its the NFL's responsibility to police its player's behavior outside of the business. We have a legal system that is designed to create a fair playing field for dealing with criminal actions. The moment that the NFL started to judge and dole out justice was the beginning of the end - the arbitrary nature of the punishments and the inconsistency of the penalties is crystal clear now.

.dew.

 

[Kingshead]

Comparing the NFL to most of the other dreck (reality TV) offered on the tube it's Shakespeare.

 

[dew042]

Comparing the NFL to most of the other dreck (reality TV) offered on the tube it's Shakespeare.

The best way to watch the NFL is really on HBO; Hard Knocks is super high quality, an interesting insider's view that I have found eye-opening. The competition is hard to believe. The fastest strongest athletes going 100% is pretty amazing.

.dew.

 

[Jeffery]

In the end, I don't really think its the NFL's responsibility to police its player's behavior outside of the business. We have a legal system that is designed to create a fair playing field for dealing with criminal actions. The moment that the NFL started to judge and dole out justice was the beginning of the end - the arbitrary nature of the punishments and the inconsistency of the penalties is crystal clear now.

.dew.

I imagine the players have a good conduct clause, they can't just run amok off the field and hurt the NFL brand with off field antics. As for penalties, what did Rice or Peterson get aside from being released? Players get fined by the NFL all the time for conduct on the field that's not illegal, but I don't think either got fined by the NFL for these recent incidents (and I'm not versed on every NFL suspension, just using these two high profile cases as examples).

I don't remember many cries of foul when Aaron Hernandez was let go, do you think he should have been kept on the team until his trial? Innocent and suited up until proven guilty? Or maybe he wasn't the image the NFL wanted even if he's found innocent?

 

[dew042]

I imagine the players have a good conduct clause, they can't just run amok off the field and hurt the NFL brand with off field antics. As for penalties, what did Rice or Peterson get aside from being released? Players get fined by the NFL all the time for conduct on the field that's not illegal, but I don't think either got fined by the NFL for these recent incidents (and I'm not versed on every NFL suspension, just using these two high profile cases as examples).

I don't remember many cries of foul when Aaron Hernandez was let go, do you think he should have been kept on the team until his trial? Innocent and suited up until proven guilty? Or maybe he wasn't the image the NFL wanted even if he's found innocent?

Rice was released and sits in limbo. Rice was fined a total of $529,411.24 -- all the penalties came after they went through the court system. Good chance he will never play again. Peterson gets paid and is in limbo, a legacy that has largely has been positive is being viewed with increased scrutiny in light of Ray Rice. AP will have much greater consequences in the future. I suspect he will not play this year and will be released. A few days ago he was a near lock for the HOF, no more. The poster boy for the arbitrary nature of the NFL's attempts to pass judgement on any/everybody has to be the year long suspensions for marijuana use this year for Welker and Gordon.

Aaron H is not a free man. No bail, and murder charges are a might bit more serious. Not really a good comparison.

I can't imagine my personal life being strung out in public, a mob yelling for my head, then my employer firing me. I think all too often we equate bad actions with malicious intent, when in reality they are just mistakes. Both Rice and Peterson honestly sound contrite, burning them at the stake achieves absolutely nothing other than serving the mob's bystander blood lust. I'd much rather see something bloom out of tragedy, but those who scream the loudest will make sure that is never possible.

.dew.

 

[Tom Brennan]

Workers shouldn't be punished by employers for events that take place outside the workplace. Image clauses in contracts should be made illegal, like yellow dog contracts are. And if the players union were a true union they wouldn't allow such contracts.

 

[onwardjames]

I get your anger, but I certainly hope that if I (or for that matter you) ever make a big mistake in life that I will be afforded a second chance after making amends/doing my time.

I don't see how a scorched earth policy does anything productive for anyone involved. I grow tired of the tyranny of public opinion calling for everyone's head based on some righteous zealotry and the deafening screaming mob. We've collectively gotten very good with the judging and moral indignity part and not so good at actually working for change and personally doing something positive in life.

In the end, I don't really think its the NFL's responsibility to police its player's behavior outside of the business. We have a legal system that is designed to create a fair playing field for dealing with criminal actions. The moment that the NFL started to judge and dole out justice was the beginning of the end - the arbitrary nature of the punishments and the inconsistency of the penalties is crystal clear now.

.dew.

I completely agree with the bolded lines.

With that said, making a mistake, and systematically and repeatedly torturing animals isn't a mistake; picking up a hooker could be a mistake. Torturing animals and thinking that behavior is acceptable is something else entirely.

 

[jcamero]

I saw more pizzas than passes today. . :sigh:

Try watching a NASCAR race on TV.

 

[Pio1980]

Workers shouldn't be punished by employers for events that take place outside the workplace. Image clauses in contracts should be made illegal, like yellow dog contracts are. And if the players union were a true union they wouldn't allow such contracts.

This is public entertainment, not anonymous union labor. The profit comes from putting butts in seats and if the customers don't like you because you act like an asshole they don't pay you by staying away from your show.
Thus the folks who make your job here possible have a stake in your image and how it makes their product desirable, and if you affect their ability to present an acceptable wholesome product they have a strong incentive to make you go away.

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[dosmalo]

With that said, making a mistake, and systematically and repeatedly torturing animals isn't a mistake; picking up a hooker could be a mistake. Torturing animals and thinking that behavior is acceptable is something else entirely.

I could not have said it better oj. I'll never forget how I felt after the horrific details were uncovered about the Vick deal.
Like you I have a pair of spade female pits and they are the joy of my life. We eat together, sleep together, play and go for walks together. They'd give their very life for me and they love my children and my grandchildren. This breed is undoubtedly the most abused and neglected that exists.
But it's not just a pit thing, as far as animal abuse goes.
I just personally think if animal abuse is involved, it cannot be rehabilitated or reformed. It's crossed a line of no return.
Below the fold is a pic of one of mine with one of my grand sons...

 

[Tom Brennan]

This is public entertainment, not anonymous union labor. The profit comes from putting butts in seats and if the customers don't like you because you act like an asshole they don't pay you by staying away from your show.
Thus the folks who make your job here possible have a stake in your image and how it makes their product desirable, and if you affect their ability to present an acceptable wholesome product they have a strong incentive to make you go away.

I don't care. Employers will always argue that their interests should trump those of employees but one of my values is that all employees have basic rights, one of them being their private lives and work lives should be separate, unless security or safety is affected.

Besides, I think it's obvious NFL fans don't give a damn about this image thing anyway, nor do movie fans or fans of entertainment in general. Society itself lacks a sense of decency and morality yet we demand it of those who are in the trade of playing sports?

 

[onwardjames]

This breed is undoubtedly the most abused and neglected that exists.
But it's not just a pit thing, as far as animal abuse goes.
I just personally think if animal abuse is involved, it cannot be rehabilitated or reformed. It's crossed a line of no return.
Below the fold is a pic of one of mine with one of my grand sons...

First, I'd agree with that. Due to thugs wanting to seem "tough" and have street cred, they get a pit. Then they put them in the back yard on a 4 foot chain away from their "pack" and wonder why they become de-socialized.
Such a maligned breed.
I hate people sometimes...

Secondly, beautiful animal ya got there. While I didn't dock mine's ears (pound find, too old) I do like the look. And yeah, if someone were to try and hurt that child, they'd have pure hell to pay.

Thanks for sharing. Now back to Tom and Pio's blossoming discussion

 

[Pio1980]

I don't care. Employers will always argue that their interests should trump those of employees but one of my values is that all employees have basic rights, one of them being their private lives and work lives should be separate, unless security or safety is affected.

Besides, I think it's obvious NFL fans don't give a damn about this image thing anyway, nor do movie fans or fans of entertainment in general. Society itself lacks a sense of decency and morality yet we demand it of those who are in the trade of playing sports?

Standards of behavior crosses to the Pete Rose/ HoF thread insofar as to whether only the numbers matter and Grand Theft Auto/ Sin City is the lifestyle model or whether standards do matter and positive constructive modeling and mentoring matters more than just statistics and money.

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[dew042]

I completely agree with the bolded lines.

With that said, making a mistake, and systematically and repeatedly torturing animals isn't a mistake; picking up a hooker could be a mistake. Torturing animals and thinking that behavior is acceptable is something else entirely.

And Michael Vick spent nearly two years in prison, lost every cent he ever earned. Pretty sure he is still in the hole -- his money goes mostly to his creditors. The punishment should last forever? I guess I don't see that.

We do the exact same thing to our felons in this country, I think its counterproductive. No chance to ever get a job again, no real chance at redemption -- then we are surprised when they resort to crime once again.

.dew.

 

[Pio1980]

I believe in true redemption, it's hope in action. Lack of remorse otoh deserves no reward, rather tangible accountability.

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[onwardjames]

And Michael Vick spent nearly two years in prison, lost every cent he ever earned. Pretty sure he is still in the hole -- his money goes mostly to his creditors. The punishment should last forever? I guess I don't see that.

We do the exact same thing to our felons in this country, I think its counterproductive. No chance to ever get a job again, no real chance at redemption -- then we are surprised when they resort to crime once again.

.dew.

Oh no, the punishment should not last forever. I never said that, and I agree with your above bolded line.

I guess I have a real problem with anyone like Vick who thinks that such a special relationship as man enjoys with dogs should be exploited in such a manner. Dogs fight in a pit because they see the other dog as a danger to their master, and the bastards bet on it. Loyalty exploited for profit. It sickens me just thinking about it. For the record, it is believed my pit was an escapee of a fighting ring that was busted around the time I got him. He has been nothing short of amazing.

While I don't know the guy, I know their type. I live in backwards ass Ky after all. I doubt he feels bad about the countless animals he destroyed. This is the problem I have. What in the hell is wrong with some people?

 

[Tom Brennan]

Standards of behavior crosses to the Pete Rose/ HoF thread insofar as to whether only the numbers matter and Grand Theft Auto/ Sin City is the lifestyle model or whether standards do matter and positive constructive modeling and mentoring matters more than just statistics and money.

I can't argue this anymore without getting political, we must agree to disagree.

My Regards

 

[usedto]

Workers shouldn't be punished by employers for events that take place outside the workplace.

....but one of my values is that all employees have basic rights, one of them being their private lives and work lives should be separate, unless security or safety is affected.

So you're OK with someone who collects and distributes child pornography working at your granddaughter's (if you have one) school? No imminent danger to your granddaughter, and security definitely isn't an issue.

 

[Tom Brennan]

So you're OK with someone who collects and distributes child pornography working at your granddaughter's (if you have one) school? No imminent danger to your granddaughter, and security definitely isn't an issue.

You present a false premise; I would think that danger and security are issues. If not, why would one care?