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Turntable advise

darren8

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Greetings to all I haven’t been here for a long time but when in need of advise there’s no place I’d rather be.

So it’s finally time to get a real good turntable. But I want to make an informed decision so any advise would be great.

I just bought a pro-ject Essential iii (Beatles sgt pepper version) from Best Buy for only $199 great deal!!! Here’s my dilemma I haven’t opened it and can still bring it back. Should I spend 200 more for a debut Carbon dc?

Is the difference worth the extra 200

Also I am wondering if pro-ject makes a tt that stops turning when the record is over. I do a lot of listening while cooking and that would be helpful.

Sorry for the long absence but thanks in advance for your knowledge

Darren
 
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Darren you may want to do some reading on AK re your choice of tables, AK Google search, to see if it was a good choice. I'd hold off opening the box and advice not to spend $200 more on an another Project. If you want a table that has auto lift at end of record I highly recommend a Sony PS-X500, I owned that Sony and feel it is far superior to the entry level Projects.
 
I am not quite sure what advice to give, so let me simply explain my recent experience with a Pro-Ject Essential III turntable:

I found once still in its box at a local junk store, and was able to purchase it for $150. At the time I thought that was a fantastic deal, given the typical $300 new price tag for the turntable (although yes, the Essential has been replaced with the Debut Carbon for their entry-level model.)

The box had been opened at the top, but the table was still in its wrapping, and clearly hadn't been opened (no fingerprints or anything.) I took it home to discover the reason why it had been opened: Someone had grabbed the Tonearm Counterweight from it. :( I ordered a replacement 65g counterweight from Music Direct. It took them more than three weeks for it to be delivered, but was eventually delivered, and seems to work fine.

The pluses:

- It is a very nice, clean-looking turntable. Aesthetically it gets nice comments from friends who see it.

- The Ortofon 5e cartridge and stylus sound great. I was previously using a Yamaha P350 with a new Audio Technica AT100e cartridge and stylus, and heard a significant improvement in clarity and overall sound response on the Essential.

- The turntable comes basically set up for you other than having to balance the tonearm and set up the anti-skate.

- The tone arm looks really nice, with a black brushed aluminum finish.

So, that would lead me to say it's a good choice. HOWEVER, there are a couple of significant negatives I've experienced:

- The grounding on the table I received is poor. I have been getting a low-level hum every time the needle touches the record. This isn't particularly distracting when music is being actively played, but is very annoying and audible at the start and end of the record. It's kinda been driving me nuts, so I flipped the table over, unscrewed the plastic boxes containing the wires and such, and have been trying to re-ground the tonearm without success. I also tried re-grounding the power supply, and the overall stereo out cables, without success. At this point I suspect the issue may be reverberation being caused by the power supply's connection to the underside of the turntable, although that conflicts with the evidence of it only happening when the needle touches a record. I also took a ground cable and tried to touch it to the tone arm while it was playing on a spinning end of record, and it did seem to lower the hum. It's got me stumped.

- Looking at the underside of the table and the wires, it's clear they are super-cheap. Tiny thin wires with cheap soldering, and the initial ground is actually punched through a sheet of light cardboard with a metal spray backing on it. :( I can take a picture later, but man, does it look cheap. The overall quality of the wires and connections leads me to think that may be the big culprit in my sound problems. Looks good on the outside, just don't look at its inside, ya know?

- I too like it when the tonearm returns at the end of the record, and this one doesn't. It seems minor until you use it for a while, then you really see the benefit of a returning tone arm.

- The mat that comes with the table is a super-cheap felt mat. They didn't even go for rubber.

- The anti-skate is a small piece of fishing line connected to a small weight. You hook a loop of the fishing line to the back of the tone arm, then bring it across a wire that sticks up towards the back of the unit. It works I guess, but just doesn't look good.

- There is no 33 1/3 to 45 switch. In order to switch to play 45s or visa versa, you have to take off the platter and manually move the belt to a different rung on the motor. It's easy to do, but really?

- Finally, the lever that gently lowers the needle to the record has a sticking issue for me. I'll depress it, but it just won't go down enough to touch the needle to the record until I manually push it down. Following that, it seems to work for a while again, but after I give it a rest and come back the next day, it does it again.

So, final thoughts: It looks nice but seems to be super-cheaply made. If it didn't sound clearly better than my previous table, I'd have swapped back to the Yamaha in a heartbeat. All said and done I spent $180 on it, and kinda wish I hadn't. I suspect the Yamaha with the Ortofon cartridge might be my best solution.

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Mockduck you were given the free Project hum which they include in just about every one of their entry level tables, also as you noted those extremely thin wires are another project bonus and a real challenge when changing cartridges without breaking off the cartridge clips. That Ortofon 5E if anything like the one I got with a used table landed in a spare parts box after giving it a listen. Chock it up to a good learning experience that the entry level Projects are a poor investment and the money would of been better spent on a new stylus for that AT cartridge for your old reliable Yamaha table.
 
I am not quite sure what advice to give, so let me simply explain my recent experience with a Pro-Ject Essential III turntable:

I found once still in its box at a local junk store, and was able to purchase it for $150. At the time I thought that was a fantastic deal, given the typical $300 new price tag for the turntable (although yes, the Essential has been replaced with the Debut Carbon for their entry-level model.)

The box had been opened at the top, but the table was still in its wrapping, and clearly hadn't been opened (no fingerprints or anything.) I took it home to discover the reason why it had been opened: Someone had grabbed the Tonearm Counterweight from it. :( I ordered a replacement 65g counterweight from Music Direct. It took them more than three weeks for it to be delivered, but was eventually delivered, and seems to work fine.

The pluses:

- It is a very nice, clean-looking turntable. Aesthetically it gets nice comments from friends who see it.

- The Ortofon 5e cartridge and stylus sound great. I was previously using a Yamaha P350 with a new Audio Technica AT100e cartridge and stylus, and heard a significant improvement in clarity and overall sound response on the Essential.

- The turntable comes basically set up for you other than having to balance the tonearm and set up the anti-skate.

- The tone arm looks really nice, with a black brushed aluminum finish.

So, that would lead me to say it's a good choice. HOWEVER, there are a couple of significant negatives I've experienced:

- The grounding on the table I received is poor. I have been getting a low-level hum every time the needle touches the record. This isn't particularly distracting when music is being actively played, but is very annoying and audible at the start and end of the record. It's kinda been driving me nuts, so I flipped the table over, unscrewed the plastic boxes containing the wires and such, and have been trying to re-ground the tonearm without success. I also tried re-grounding the power supply, and the overall stereo out cables, without success. At this point I suspect the issue may be reverberation being caused by the power supply's connection to the underside of the turntable, although that conflicts with the evidence of it only happening when the needle touches a record. I also took a ground cable and tried to touch it to the tone arm while it was playing on a spinning end of record, and it did seem to lower the hum. It's got me stumped.

- Looking at the underside of the table and the wires, it's clear they are super-cheap. Tiny thin wires with cheap soldering, and the initial ground is actually punched through a sheet of light cardboard with a metal spray backing on it. :( I can take a picture later, but man, does it look cheap. The overall quality of the wires and connections leads me to think that may be the big culprit in my sound problems. Looks good on the outside, just don't look at its inside, ya know?

- I too like it when the tonearm returns at the end of the record, and this one doesn't. It seems minor until you use it for a while, then you really see the benefit of a returning tone arm.

- The mat that comes with the table is a super-cheap felt mat. They didn't even go for rubber.

- The anti-skate is a small piece of fishing line connected to a small weight. You hook a loop of the fishing line to the back of the tone arm, then bring it across a wire that sticks up towards the back of the unit. It works I guess, but just doesn't look good.

- There is no 33 1/3 to 45 switch. In order to switch to play 45s or visa versa, you have to take off the platter and manually move the belt to a different rung on the motor. It's easy to do, but really?

- Finally, the lever that gently lowers the needle to the record has a sticking issue for me. I'll depress it, but it just won't go down enough to touch the needle to the record until I manually push it down. Following that, it seems to work for a while again, but after I give it a rest and come back the next day, it does it again.

So, final thoughts: It looks nice but seems to be super-cheaply made. If it didn't sound clearly better than my previous table, I'd have swapped back to the Yamaha in a heartbeat. All said and done I spent $180 on it, and kinda wish I hadn't. I suspect the Yamaha with the Ortofon cartridge might be my best solution.

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Wow thanks for sharing your experience. You sure have given me a lot to think about.
 
I have to say I am now totally confused because all the online reviews I’ve seen about the pro-ject tt’s rate Them so highly.

One thing that I should be more clear about is that I am not looking for a full automatic. I just want the table to stop turning when the record ends. Me thinks that’s an option.

I also should mention that I do have a technics sl-b500. It works perfect I should probably just spend some money on a new cartridge. It currently has a Shure MT105P. Maybe I should just upgrade that table and call it a day.

Thanks to all,

Darren
 
If it is a product that you really want then go with it. IMO I feel that (although it has slick looks) the belt drive outside of the platter is a bit too gimmicky. Adding to this, to change speeds you would need to put the belt on a different pulley, which would not be acceptable to me.

I would shop around. In general I have found that you will need to spend a decent coin in order to get a new turntable of any quality. One table I would invite you to look at is the Onkyo cp1050. It isn't necessarily cheap, but it appears to have solid construction and the quality could be acceptable.

If you have a favorite brand of turntable from the past, then you could search for a vintage turntable. Buying a vintage turntable (while neat) will of course be riskier than buying new. I have found that I prefer vintage turntables to most new decks. Turntable artistry was at its height during the mid to late seventies, and even as late as 1980 there was a great array of high quality, attractive players available. Now could be a great time to pick up a high quality vintage turntable at a reasonable cost.

Good luck.
 
Hello Darren,

If you are thinking of going the vintage route, which would be my first choice, there are a few things to consider.

You must be willing to learn a bit about turntable repair. Not complete restoration of course, but learn how to fix common problems as they arrise. They often will. With a little research you will be able to fix these issues. AK is a great source for info!

I would also add your location to your profile so that other Akers can look at your local Craigslist and make some recomendations for you.

If buying a used turntable on Craigslist, ask some questions about it here first before buying. Also be sure to have it FULLY checked, try every feature.

Enjoy the hunt. It's part of the fun!
 
Darren I can understand you being confused by the conflicting info here and what you read in the on line reviews such as those posted on Amazon. Today there are numerous specialized sites for just about anything under the sun, from watches to lawn mowers and in this case AK for audio equipment. Amazon and other similar sites that have reviews tend to be mostly positive and have incentives for buyers to write positive reviews. You are more likely to get a better picture here at AK from members that have years of experience with turntables and not like the majority of Amazon buyers who are first time buyers of a turntable that I call the blind leading the blind. Smartest move would be to return the Project to Best Buy and get a refund, almost standard advice to anyone in your situation with a perfectly functioning vintage table is to replace/upgrade the stylus on your cartridge or get a better cartridge which will be the biggest bang for your buck in improving sound quality. The case with just about all the new entry level tables is a race by the mfgs to the bottom, cutting everything possible in design, materials and quality control to make a profit in a very competitive market relying on low payed unskilled labor to mfg and assemble these turntables.
 
I have to say I am now totally confused because all the online reviews I’ve seen about the pro-ject tt’s rate Them so highly.

One thing that I should be more clear about is that I am not looking for a full automatic. I just want the table to stop turning when the record ends. Me thinks that’s an option.

I also should mention that I do have a technics sl-b500. It works perfect I should probably just spend some money on a new cartridge. It currently has a Shure MT105P. Maybe I should just upgrade that table and call it a day.

Many of those reviewers may be those new to vinyl who may be buying their first (entry level) table and don't know any better.

I think you mean you are looking for a semi-automatic. I've never heard of a table that just shuts off without returning the tonearm to its rest. There are few brand new tables out there that are auto or semi-auto, but they are not highly regarded.

I would either upgrade the cart on your present table if you think that will help, or buy another vintage semi-auto table. Your present table is a P-mount which might limit your cart choices. The used Technics direct drive S-arm tables are solid and highly regarded. Many are auto or semi-auto. I recently picked up a SL-D2 semi-auto table on the local CL and I like it a lot. My previous experience with turntables goes back over 40 years, but I've been mostly a straight arm belt drive or idler drive owner. The only other direct drive I have also has a straight arm.
 
I have to say I am now totally confused because all the online reviews I’ve seen about the pro-ject tt’s rate Them so highly.

Remember that it is the internet and most of those reviews, IMO, are nothing more than paid advertisements. I agree with hi*ball, list your location and also, subscribe to AK so you can view BarterTown for sales by AKers for AKers. There are good deals to be had without a lot of risk. Preston
 
Darren, whereabouts are you located? I ask because there may be an AK'er near you who can fix you up with a TT. Many of us have an extra/spare turntable we could part with.
 
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