Who made these for H.H. Scott?

[asoundhound]

i just acquired a pair of 12" woofers from a pair of S-2's. anybody know who manufactured these for Scott?

 

[asoundhound]

433146

Cleveland?

 

[MarkAnderson]

Apparently so. By the looks I'd have guessed Utah, though.

 

[asoundhound]

i was kinda hoping for jensen. the codes were not visible in the add. i've got a pair of sonodome mids and tweets i'd like to use them with. any idea what size cabinet would be best? ported or sealed?

 

[MarkAnderson]

i've got a pair of sonodome mids and tweets i'd like to use them with.

No reason that couldn't work.

any idea what size cabinet would be best? ported or sealed?

Well, you could start with size of a Scott S-2. Hold on...

 

[asoundhound]

i'm on the edge of my seat!

 

[MarkAnderson]

http://hhscott.com/speakers.htm

 

[asoundhound]

i'm assuming these were sealed cabinets? the seller had the mids, tweets, and crossovers for sale also. they were twin mids on a beveled mount. the tweets looked identical to my sonodomes, which is why i hoped these were jensen woofers. i'm not so sure they were 4-ways.

 

[MarkAnderson]

My guess is they were sealed. Every Scott speaker of this vintage that I've seen or seen posted about was sealed, to the best of my recollection.

Couldn't say about the -way-ed-ness of them, though.

 

[sealy]

Those are alnico magnets are they not? The woofer cones and surrounds, even the dust caps and frames look like the ones on some Eminence woofers I have, but the magnet assemblies on yours pre-date the ceramic magnets on mine.

 

[asoundhound]

they do look very similar. there are numbers on the back of my cones...12005-26

any advantage to going with a larger cabinet that the original scotts?

 

[sealy]

I don't know how big your cabinets are, but mine worked well in large vented cabinets - about 4 cu. ft. Bass response was good. They are not the last word in deep bass, but have solid bass down to at least 40 hz.

 

[asoundhound]

using the outer dimensions for the S-2's given on the vintage scott site, and allowing for 3/4" thick wood, the original volume is around 1.84 cubic feet. i'm wondering what effects the larger cabinet volume would have.

 

[BrocLuno]

Larger would be better and deeper. 12" in 1.83 cu ft is pretty tight.

 

[asoundhound]

i've got them tucked into some homemade cabs right now just to test them. if my calculations are correct, the inner volume is 3.1 cubic feet. inner dimensions are 14" x 16" x 24". the bass is pretty good considering the large holes where the horns were mounted. i may have miss-calculated the original volume. i'll double check. am i to understand that bass response gets deeper as volume increases? if so, should the cabinets be as large as possible, or is there some threshold where fidelity goes south?

 

[Susurus]

I have Scott S-10D, 2x S-11D, and S-197.
The earlier ones, 10 & 11 have very well done A.S. with excellent, heavy cabs like KLH or ARs. When I get my AR2ax going it's Shootout Time!

S-197 had a marketing-committee designed 15" woofer, and cheaper cabs, but still had a nice Philips tweeter.

am i to understand that bass response gets deeper as volume increases? if so, should the cabinets be as large as possible, or is there some threshold where fidelity goes south?

Good question! If you want a very rough sketch (admittedly incomplete and with lotsa loose generalizations):

For Infinite Baffle like Bozaks, as the volume goes up, bass can go lower. :thmbsp:

For ported, as you increase volume, you need to adjust the port to match. :nerd: May or may not make things better.

For Acoustic Suspension, is it the damping material that needs tweeking as volume changes?

For very tightly designed speakers, the characteristics of the spider/surround flexibility is important--and should be related properly to the compressivity of the total air volume.

That's one reason to try and keep an original driver working instead of plopping in a new, supposedly 'better', driver...

But in all cases, I think, better bracing of the cabinets helps as you increase volume, and is easy to do.

The ratio of dimensions for boxes comes into play too. But some truly superb speakers have schemes to deal with internal reflections, modes, and resonance. Look inside a Triad or Vandersteen 5A or non-parallel-sides Sony or big Bozak.