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Windows 7 in 2016 - Bad Idea?

Well - for the amount of people that have upgraded, who have not had issues, it is the best system by far. Well, those updates are the 'security' updates that are important. Don't blame MS if you don't put in the security patches and then get a virus, etc. Not their fault. You have 4 more years of free support for Windows 7, then it is dead like Windows XP.



The commercial version of Windows 10 IS NOT like that. The IT guys are idiots sometimes. You can turn off sharing, I guess your "IT expert' is none too bright, it is one click and it is done. Many of the so called 'IT Experts' are just following corporate instructions , verbatim, w/o really understanding why.


Hey now, Don't be bringing up XP Pro. That was one of my fav op systems there Mr ! :)

My son, who is my IT guy says screw 10 for now. he said I would hate all its auto this and that. Not to mention being a mega resource hog. Hell, im still getting use to 7. Prolly still wil be in 4 years when its phased out :whip:
 

Now you reminded me of my old Paradox database and Pascal compiler software, about 40 3.5" floppies each, I have buried in the garage. Time to do some prospecting. :)
 
Be aware of the long-standing intent of the Microsoft powers that be (Bill Gates' vision for the future, stated many years ago, and continuing steadily since then): change the computing paradigm to replace the desktop/laptop/tablet with a simple machine that is mostly human interface (input and output devices), with all software and data storage in the cloud. Subscripted Windows OS is going a long way there, along with subscripted apps and storage space. The intention is as radical as was moving the computing world from mainframes and terminals to desktop computers was. I'm not speaking pro or con, just speaking of intent. Many apps are already subscripted, like Norton Anti-Virus. If your subscription runs out, the app stops working altogether, rather than ceases to be update-able. There are several office suites that exist only via the web, and only as long as you pay your subscription. One of those suites is provided by a company that explicitly states that use of their apps grants them the liberty to use the data you generate with them as they desire (read the Google EULAs, their success is what prompted Microsoft to risk doing it).

There are pros and cons. Pros are apps that are continuously up to date, interface machines that are cheaper, simple, and more easily defined for universality, etc. The cons are user data exposure, and higher prices paid for apps, since you can't buy an OS or app and just use it until the machine dies, you have to keep paying your subscription -- more steady revenue stream for software companies. You also have to have high bandwidth connectivity or you can't function, and if the net, your connectivity, or the cloud craps out, so do you.

Please note that the offensive telemetry that Microsoft collects (but won't tell you what it all consists of) is absolutely necessary to simulate the target environment (interface-cloud computing) before it is fully implemented. They want to make their OS to appear to be continuously up to date, while working with all of the myriad flavors of computers in use. Once the universal interface machine has been designed and specified, there will be much less to be done by them, but the telemetry will then be completely out of your control, or awareness, being done outside of your machine entirely. For Norton Anti-Virus, the software version concept has been well-blurred, in that you no longer have to pay the upgrade price to get the latest version. As long as your subscription is up to date, you just download the update, or it is downloaded and updated automatically, for free. Sound familiar?

At one time, Borland Corporation was positioning itself to push Microsoft off of the top of the hill. They bought, or created, a version of the Linux OS, and all kinds of apps and suites that were in direct competition with Microsoft (hardware and software). I don't know what happened, but they seemed to collapse under the effort, and fell apart. The problem was that their competing products were significantly better than Microsoft counterparts (Red Hat Linux, Dragon Speak, Perfect Office, Paradox, CorelDraw, the "Builder" series of visual software creation suites, etc.). It is all just too bad. Then, again, maybe they would have come right along with the way things are today.

I watched United Technologies' attempt such a grand plan also, trying to position itself to not require any outside vendors, and covering the market with a huge variety of products and services. That plan quietly collapsed under its own load too, and I watched as they divested themselves of a large percentage of what they acquired during the heyday of the plan. They are still trying to recover, while keeping the stock market happy with what it sees.

Since they have successfully shifted the paradigm of the planners, and implementers, I just don't see how Microsoft can stop, in mid-stream, and get back on the older horse. It is do or die now, for them, and many other software and hardware companies that have hitched their horses to the new paradigm. Unless Microsoft can spin the telemetry invasion to a satisfactory degree, and find their "good OS" groove, it might be the "die" option. My gut is telling me that the outcry against the telemetry and unstoppable automatic updating was not unexpected. I would be willing to bet that there is an Easter Egg in Windows 10 that completely turns off the telemetry gathering and reporting, as well as puts the OS updating back into the control of the computer admin. If there is no such Easter Egg, I'm afraid they have shot themselves in the foot. They have tried to force the completion of the paradigm shift, before its time. It was already heading there, inexorably, albeit a bit too slow to meet their economic needs.

Enjoy,
Rich P
 
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Nice writeup there p. Seems like you've been around.

I read Dvorak. Windows 95 was a ripoff of a program called Desqview by a company called Quarterdeck. It was one of the many DOS shells out there, which is what Windows was, and technically still is. And IBM's Presentation manager did pretty much what all the older versions of Windows did, up to a certain point when they stopped persuing it.

In the old days, there were options.

But what you seem to mean now is it will not necessarily be a Disk Operated System. Perhaps a Cloud Operating System, COS.

I wonder if people realize just how much they are trusting people who cannot be trusted. they will sell their rich Uncle's bank information for about a buck, if that. they do it all the time, and the rich Uncle gets spam for viagra n **** once they know he has the credit to pay for it. Once the very operating system is on the cloud, is it not clear just how vulnerable you are ?

And Microsoft running it ? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Microsoft has one goal, to make as many backdoors and secret ways into the OS to ****ing it up that nobody, and I mean nobody can ever fix it. and in that they seem to have had quite the measure of success. I beat them by sticking with the old **** and dealing with it. Yes, I have manually removed viruses and have been in regedit much more than once. And what I find there is that specific information is needed, information that could only be obtained from the author of the virus, unless some serious reverse engineering went on. Think they do that ? That would be the hard way. They got stockholders. What is their duty considering the ruling in the Dodge v Ford case ? And who would catch them ? Who could ?
 
I was running a graphical, mouse-based user interface, on DOS machines, long before any form of Windows ever came out, myself using the ZINC Interface Library. I have PC-based manufacturing test equipment running all over the world, working fine to this day, with DOS on the bottom. Don't worry, my test equipment kept up with the times, and I now have libraries ported to use the latest Windows APIs, instead of ZINC (no longer available), but I could compile & link any of the test equipment executables to run under DOS 5.0 with a flick of the wrist.

Microsoft had better wake up pretty soon.

As a developer of serious programs to run under Windows, I have great respect for what the Windows programmers built into their OS's. Even if they don't have an API for everything, I have never really had a need, and failed to discover that the Microsoft coders failed to anticipate and provide for it, and I have developed some pretty wild stuff.

Enjoy,
Rich P
 
It's insane. They're (MS) proceeding as though they have a permanent monopoly and the only people who use computers are teen girls who like to do social network stuff and share stuff. Are the Chinese and Russian governments gonna get on the cloud with Windows 10? Do any "foreign" governments trust MS? Private industry? Can universities doing sensitive research be trusted if they've upgraded to Windows 10? Windows 10 sounds like a solution in search of a problem. It also sounds like a problem in search of a solution.
 
It's insane. They're (MS) proceeding as though they have a permanent monopoly and the only people who use computers are teen girls who like to do social network stuff and share stuff. Are the Chinese and Russian governments gonna get on the cloud with Windows 10? Do any "foreign" governments trust MS? Private industry? Can universities doing sensitive research be trusted if they've upgraded to Windows 10? Windows 10 sounds like a solution in search of a problem. It also sounds like a problem in search of a solution.
China and Russia are going Linux in a big way. Putin as a matter of fact demanded all government computers run on Linux recently as a strategic move.

No I don't want to get political at all. And please no one else start up.

Frannie
 
Hiya,

A few simple points about Microsoft's Strategy with Windows 10.

1. They have forgotten they were part of the PC "Revolution" which was a massive shift away from centralized mainframe computer systems with tight control to Personal Computers which put a lot of control in users hands.

2. The "Cloud" is nothing more than a 21st century vastly improved mainframe.

3. Windows 10 seems to be going the way of the "Host Micro Interface" Think AOL,Compuserve,Prodigy and how bogus and expensive that was.

4. Apple and Google are just as bad if not worse than Microsoft.

5. Linux while nice is not for everyone.

So what am I saying folks. Microsoft , Apple and Google were allowed into out houses over the last 20 years and we kept the doors unlocked. They can't be kicked off the couch where we let them sleep and they have had children.

We wanted all of this as a collective and most of us will be stuck with this 21st Century version of AOLHell I am afraid until something new comes along.

Frannie
 
Nice metaphors, Frannie! So then, isn't the problem dependence on the cloud (somebody else's mainframe), regardless of the operating system?
 
Nice metaphors, Frannie! So then, isn't the problem dependence on the cloud, regardless of the operating system?

Dependence on the "Cloud" is just part of life now unless you don't want to be on the Internet.

Heck I would not be surprised if this forum itself is not in some sort of "Cloud" system.

Most hosting is rapidly moving to the "Cloud"

You need to pick carefully where you allow your data to be stored.

Honestly Microsoft while they are being scummy about this really is not as bad as Google.

Google is the one with the mark on the back of the neck in this hell.

Frannie
 
It's not about the spying , it's about the resources Windows 10 uses to spy . I hate when my computer freezes up when I'm about to use Unrelenting force on General Tulius to blow him off of High Hrothgar .
 
It's not about the spying , it's about the resources Windows 10 uses to spy . I hate when my computer freezes up when I'm about to use Unrelenting force on General Tulius to blow him off of High Hrothgar .

Silly person. You need a dedicated Gaming PC with a no Spying OS.

Otherwise your DPS drops and FPS suffers.

Frannie
 
Buglegirl wrote: "Apple and Google were allowed into out houses over the last 20 years..." where they commenced to produce product worthy of that environment. ;)

Chip
 
Honestly I don't understand what is all this about...Are you happy with W7 and how it works for you?
If yes - keep using it.
If not - upgrade to whatever....
As simple as that....
 
Silly person. You need a dedicated Gaming PC with a no Spying OS.

Otherwise your DPS drops and FPS suffers.

Frannie
Never had a problems gaming on a Windows 7 pc , once I switched to Windows 10 ,games would take forever to load and would freeze after playing for a while ( HP Pavilion with quad core phenom processor , 8 gigs ddr 3 ram , 1 Gig Radeon video card and corsair 600 power supply ) . Went back to Windows 7 ,problem solved .
 
No I don't want to get political at all. And please no one else start up.

I don't believe my post sowed any seeds of political debate. Both these countries have been flooding our grad schools with students for the past couple generations and there really isn't any reason why either couldn't develop their own secure operating systems and ironically offer them to the "free world" as alternatives to the big brother crap Microsoft is forcing on us. Not politics - just irony.
 
I don't believe my post sowed any seeds of political debate. Both these countries have been flooding our grad schools with students for the past couple generations and there really isn't any reason why either couldn't develop their own secure operating systems and ironically offer them to the "free world" as alternatives to the big brother crap Microsoft is forcing on us. Not politics - just irony.


No I meant my sojourn into discussing what some country does or does not do should hopefully not devolve into a political debate.

Was more a safeguard statement on my part is all and not directed at you. And only because I picked up the conversation and brought a world leader into the conversation.

Frannie
 
Honestly I don't understand what is all this about...Are you happy with W7 and how it works for you?
If yes - keep using it.
If not - upgrade to whatever....
As simple as that....

Other than Microsoft actively forcing the Win 10 update almost to the edge of no user intervention onto Win 7 users.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-as-a-recommended-update/

And push back works. They are in fact bending at Redmond on the Telemetry BS.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/11/microsoft-makes-windows-10-u-turn/#fddd02739743


Frannie
 
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