the-real-mandak
Super Member
I agree, but you also have to remember that SACD is a limited media so that also raise a bar. High-end palyers of today shal be abel to deal with bough CD-A, DVD-Audio and SACD.
Yamaha cdx?
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lorne
Sonic Lizard
The CDX-1020
Hi CDx fans! Here is my new-old CDX-1020. It is a Japanese domestic model rated at 20 Watts on 100 VAC at 50-60 Hz. If, as some claim, chassis construction plays an important role in digital performance, then this machine is well provided with rigid and heavy construction. The top plate is 3.5 mm thick, and the bottom 2.5 mm respectively. Note the encased transformer. The main board and transport mechanicals are separated by a shield. Later Japanese high-end players, such as the Marantz and Denons costing twice as much, boast lovely looking copper plating, but the sound of this machine cannot fail to impress. There is no remote for it, and there are a few scratches that are par for the course on a used machine of this vintage — not a problem for a price of just under 10,000 Yen — another 2,000 for shipping. Hi-Fi Do’s technicians checked it out, and Munetika Kurohiji-San at the Nihonbashi (Tokyo) branch store made sure it played CDR. All in all, it makes me wanna go trolling for software. A very nice sounding, no-nonsense, well-made instrument that conforms to the better principles of higher-end engineering [IMHO]. Ya gotta luv it.
The pics left to right:
(a) As packed by Hi-Fi Do Inc. — high density foam, and bubble wrap in two sizes.
(b) Planform view showing the transport, transformer and big board. Unlike my big Kenwood, there are no stacked boards. The main board carries everything except the usual VAC service wafer near the Xformer, and the little boards associated with the transport. All the caps are Elna with the big filters and a few others being in the Duorex series.
(c) The front view looking pretty typical of the contemporary CDX. I’ve brightened it up with a mild cleaning paste since this pic.
(d) Maybe with some study I could reproduce the true amber color of the read-out panel, but this shows the essentials. (Luv that amber as I did in some early word processors.)
I’ll be interested in any comparisons to other models.
Hi CDx fans! Here is my new-old CDX-1020. It is a Japanese domestic model rated at 20 Watts on 100 VAC at 50-60 Hz. If, as some claim, chassis construction plays an important role in digital performance, then this machine is well provided with rigid and heavy construction. The top plate is 3.5 mm thick, and the bottom 2.5 mm respectively. Note the encased transformer. The main board and transport mechanicals are separated by a shield. Later Japanese high-end players, such as the Marantz and Denons costing twice as much, boast lovely looking copper plating, but the sound of this machine cannot fail to impress. There is no remote for it, and there are a few scratches that are par for the course on a used machine of this vintage — not a problem for a price of just under 10,000 Yen — another 2,000 for shipping. Hi-Fi Do’s technicians checked it out, and Munetika Kurohiji-San at the Nihonbashi (Tokyo) branch store made sure it played CDR. All in all, it makes me wanna go trolling for software. A very nice sounding, no-nonsense, well-made instrument that conforms to the better principles of higher-end engineering [IMHO]. Ya gotta luv it.
The pics left to right:
(a) As packed by Hi-Fi Do Inc. — high density foam, and bubble wrap in two sizes.
(b) Planform view showing the transport, transformer and big board. Unlike my big Kenwood, there are no stacked boards. The main board carries everything except the usual VAC service wafer near the Xformer, and the little boards associated with the transport. All the caps are Elna with the big filters and a few others being in the Duorex series.
(c) The front view looking pretty typical of the contemporary CDX. I’ve brightened it up with a mild cleaning paste since this pic.
(d) Maybe with some study I could reproduce the true amber color of the read-out panel, but this shows the essentials. (Luv that amber as I did in some early word processors.)
I’ll be interested in any comparisons to other models.
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lorne
Sonic Lizard
9,400 uF of filter capacity. I guess that this is sorda-kinda normal in better players. I am tempted to replace ALL the Duorex with Elna's current equivalent, and ugrade all the caps to Pany FC standard in Elna (just to keep the character of the thing — and I can probably get them in Akihabara). But I probably won't. I got a long list of uncompleted projects.
Not a necessity, but would be make an already very good CDP a little better. Nichicon Fine Golds are very nice.
the-real-mandak
Super Member
Nice player lorne, if posseble please do a close up on the main board showing the layout in more deatail.
And at $104 including shipping not a bad price either :thmbsp:
And at $104 including shipping not a bad price either :thmbsp:
:tresbon:
the-real-mandak
Super Member
Hey Eric, now we also need you to make a detailed pic of the 920 main board. That way we can see if the 1020 is a 920 with better housing and shielded transformer, from the pics posted it dos look like it.
And how about the laser, what model is it?
And how about the laser, what model is it?
the-real-mandak
Super Member
thx Eric.
I also believe it is the same, but there might be minor changes like different components even that I don't think so. But it would be nice to know - Any have the SM for any of the units, it might show.
I also believe it is the same, but there might be minor changes like different components even that I don't think so. But it would be nice to know - Any have the SM for any of the units, it might show.
lorne
Sonic Lizard
I'm gagging for an SM on this unit, or one very similar!
I'll try to photo the unit tonight. I missed daylight, and my lighting here is limited for studio-like shooting. Flash strobe seems a poor substitute, and I am using a recent model point'n'shoot Canon digi camera. Right off the mark, it looks as if the cap series is different. But this is a minor issue — all things considered.
I'll try to photo the unit tonight. I missed daylight, and my lighting here is limited for studio-like shooting. Flash strobe seems a poor substitute, and I am using a recent model point'n'shoot Canon digi camera. Right off the mark, it looks as if the cap series is different. But this is a minor issue — all things considered.
lorne
Sonic Lizard
Here are the pics of the 1020 main board. The only way I can get better resolution given the restrictions, is to put these pics in pdf. Here, you will find them in jpeg. They were saved as screen shots from a high resolution shoot on a tripod using a Canon IXY (7.1 M-Pixels), and then converted from png to jpg.
ORIENTATION: the player is standing on its RIGHT side so that the transport is at yer feet and the loading tray is at yer right. The ports are on yer left. Then the shots go from UPPER LEFT to UPPER RIGHT. Then from LOWER LEFT to LOWER RIGHT. To easily read the chip numbers, invert the image, or stand on your head. To read the schematic/circuit assignments, read straight on.
I have no idea how everything compares to the 920. I expect that a similar view of that model would be the last word in a description of any essential differences. The transformer and some other associated values will differ in respect to domestic mains supply, of course. If these shots do not do the trick, please let me know. It may be less convenient, but I can get them to be crystal in pdf — much bigger files.
This sort of thing may seem to be obsessive. But for all those enthusiasts who may be interested in collecting, acquiring, preserving and ultimately ENJOYING these aging machines, this sort of detail may be useful. For myself, I will use only one machine at a time, given the space I have. But any evidence of a machine that has something to be more envied than the one I have will be certainly move me to being on the alert — as long as the price is right. I am quite resistant to the fetishes that develop from appreciative forums such as this. I am almost resistant to even comment on these Yamaha players lest the blood sucking lurkers around the net latch onto them and drift up the values as they have in so many other cases. There are particular pitfalls in the case of older players, and I only hope that these wretched individuals read this: if you don't know what they are, you ARE NOT a player in this game!
ORIENTATION: the player is standing on its RIGHT side so that the transport is at yer feet and the loading tray is at yer right. The ports are on yer left. Then the shots go from UPPER LEFT to UPPER RIGHT. Then from LOWER LEFT to LOWER RIGHT. To easily read the chip numbers, invert the image, or stand on your head. To read the schematic/circuit assignments, read straight on.
I have no idea how everything compares to the 920. I expect that a similar view of that model would be the last word in a description of any essential differences. The transformer and some other associated values will differ in respect to domestic mains supply, of course. If these shots do not do the trick, please let me know. It may be less convenient, but I can get them to be crystal in pdf — much bigger files.
This sort of thing may seem to be obsessive. But for all those enthusiasts who may be interested in collecting, acquiring, preserving and ultimately ENJOYING these aging machines, this sort of detail may be useful. For myself, I will use only one machine at a time, given the space I have. But any evidence of a machine that has something to be more envied than the one I have will be certainly move me to being on the alert — as long as the price is right. I am quite resistant to the fetishes that develop from appreciative forums such as this. I am almost resistant to even comment on these Yamaha players lest the blood sucking lurkers around the net latch onto them and drift up the values as they have in so many other cases. There are particular pitfalls in the case of older players, and I only hope that these wretched individuals read this: if you don't know what they are, you ARE NOT a player in this game!
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the-real-mandak
Super Member
thx lorne.
Yes it does indeed look like some of the caps are different (look in the analoug parth), even it is still hard to compair the pics.
And I think the only place you will find a SM for the CDX-1020 will be in Japan, but it seems this will not be a problem for you.
Yes it does indeed look like some of the caps are different (look in the analoug parth), even it is still hard to compair the pics.
And I think the only place you will find a SM for the CDX-1020 will be in Japan, but it seems this will not be a problem for you.
lorne
Sonic Lizard
Ooooooh!
.... now I see why there is a whole long thread on these specific CDX Yamaha machines! I am entranced! Absolutley lovely music. Some CD's I considered coasters have turned out to be marvellous. Nothing is perfect, but the CDX gets me some distance closer to an audio paradise! 'NATURAL SOUND' or 'NS' turns out to be more than just a company slogan. For me at lest, the CDX 1020's rendering of Louis Armstrong's coronet is a new, lyrical expericnce rather than the familiar nerve-grating, Redbook misadventure. Perhaps I should have been buying more expensive CDP's all these years ... iike maybe ... 200 - 300% more expensive.
I love my new/old CDX. YES ...! ...:yes::thmbsp:
BTW: I freshened up a weakness by changing out the tired analog 'Out' RCA plugs. I used single strand, tinned, copper Xformer wire and a tad of fiberglass sheathing. if YOU have an old CDP, I'd stick a meter on the 'Out' part of the circuit and test for R.
.... now I see why there is a whole long thread on these specific CDX Yamaha machines! I am entranced! Absolutley lovely music. Some CD's I considered coasters have turned out to be marvellous. Nothing is perfect, but the CDX gets me some distance closer to an audio paradise! 'NATURAL SOUND' or 'NS' turns out to be more than just a company slogan. For me at lest, the CDX 1020's rendering of Louis Armstrong's coronet is a new, lyrical expericnce rather than the familiar nerve-grating, Redbook misadventure. Perhaps I should have been buying more expensive CDP's all these years ... iike maybe ... 200 - 300% more expensive.
I love my new/old CDX. YES ...! ...:yes::thmbsp:
BTW: I freshened up a weakness by changing out the tired analog 'Out' RCA plugs. I used single strand, tinned, copper Xformer wire and a tad of fiberglass sheathing. if YOU have an old CDP, I'd stick a meter on the 'Out' part of the circuit and test for R.
4.7inches
Active Member
So, all in all the 993 would be a nice pick even compared to the 1100/1110 and 1050 you were referring to earlier? Surely nicer aestethics, at least IMO with it´s no nonsense, no buttons face.
:scratch2:
Do you have a few pics of the 993 backdoorman?
Yes, very nice! :thmbsp:
