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Yamaha CR-2040 Shorted During DC/Bias/Voltage Adjustment

Speaking of fishing...Ever fish the S.Platte in Deckers Canyon ? One of my favorite places for big Rainbow.
I actually do! Was there 3 times this summer but not the "golden mile" section..I tend to fish the North fork of the S. Platte upstream of Strontia Springs or the very tail end from Deckers where it meets up with the North fork. Good fishing still and way less crowded than the golden mile.
 
Last time I was there.. I was TDY to Lowry AFB just before Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Not much trout fishing in Saudi Arabia.
 
Speaking of fishing...Ever fish the S.Platte in Deckers Canyon ? One of my favorite places for big Rainbow.
If you're ever near the 4-corners area (SW Colorado is where I grew up) try out the San Juan below Navajo Dam in New Mexico...no shortage of BIG rainbows there.
 
Been a real long time since I was at 4 corners.. Like 50 years. I was 13 or 14..
 
I was going to go ahead and pull the trigger on placing the order through B+D Enterprises for the output transistors, then I realized a few things that are likely going to be outside of the mouser/digikey orders and started browsing the B+D site.

This started with me thinking I needed to replace the Presence pot VR601 (severe scratchy/pop and low level hum) but I don't see potentiometers on their site. Also need a SW901-1 switch for the meters (doesn't latch when depressed). Thoughts to source these?

Next up, which I did find on the B+D site, is "Capacitor Kits" (or at least the option that they sell them which I would probably need to reach out to inquire about). I don't know B+D, and I don't know any of the auction site sellers that offer full Capacitor Kits and if they are junk/quality/ripoff, or if I should even be considering the route of capacitor replacement or not. Some say all electrolytics have to go in this vintage of gear, others subscribe to the "ain't broke don't fix". This is a keeper for me so I figure that while I have it in pieces, might as well do it right. What do you think on capacitors for this?
 
Ah, shorts are no fun. Neither is snapping a board off, which I have done and had to fix.

Electrolytic caps have a defined lifespan, and although some will last a very long time (and reform in use) by now the small ones (size and capacitance) are probably starting to drift seriously off spec. I did a recap on my KA-80 (the one I broke the board on) and found that some of the smallest caps were way off in both ESR and capacitance, a bad thing since some of them were coupling caps in the pre-amp section.

They are cheap enough to go ahead and replace them all. Use low impedance caps in all power supply applications, including the ones off the main power board (in my KA-80 there were separate lower voltage sections for the pre-amp, the driver section, and the phone pre-amp, some of which were fried). Use audio grade in anything that's directly connected to the signal path, and watch for non-polar ones. Use low leakage when applicable (it's nice to have a good list from the manufacturer when available, Kenwood does this in the service manual but Sansui does not). You can use higher voltage rated caps but do not change the uF ratings unless you know what you are doing and intend to have happen. Modern caps will be smaller than the ones in there so a higher voltage rating will fit in nearly all cases.

Main filter caps should be low impedance as well, with high ripple current ratings -- your choices are much more limited there.

I would not rely on the visual condition of electronics parts to determine functionality, use a tester for the transistors and diodes and carefully measure the resistors. Toss the caps (and a blown capacitor is very likely the source of the smoke!) and replace. Absolutely no point in putting iffy components exposed to a short circuit in contact with new parts until you verify they are good.

And use a dim bulb tester while troubleshooting -- it will save a lot of components even from shorts since the current draw is so limited.
 
full Capacitor Kits and if they are junk/quality/ripoff
80-90% of the caps you get in those cap kits will never be used. A waste of money. If your going to replace the caps. Go through your unit and inventory what you need . And just order what you need. Takes a little more time. But saves cash in the long run.
 
80-90% of the caps you get in those cap kits will never be used. A waste of money. If your going to replace the caps. Go through your unit and inventory what you need . And just order what you need. Takes a little more time. But saves cash in the long run.

Glad to do it, now the how...

Do I test every cap in circuit then pull and replace only out of spec? Do I pull each out of circuit, test, replace out of spec?

You say 80-90% of the kits won't be used so is there a 10-20% list of suspects to focus on and test in or out of circuit?

Only electrolytics (soda cans) or mylar film/others too?

Brands/series of caps to pursue for replacement order?
 
Only electrolytics
This includes tantalum caps.
so is there a 10-20% list of suspects to focus on and test in or out of circuit?
No..
Go through your unit and inventory what you need .
Do I test every cap in circuit then pull and replace only out of spec? Do I pull each out of circuit, test, replace out of spec?
If you wish.. Its your call.
mylar film/others too?
I usually don't.. Mylars(polyester) , ceramic, silver mica , polystyrene. very very seldom go bad.

Brands/series of caps to pursue for replacement order?
You will get all kinds of opinions on this.. I mostly use Nichicon.
 
Okay, got some work to do but like I said to start off, I enjoy every second of it.

Will testing caps in circuit suffice to determine good/bad or will this just produce questionable measurements?
 
Caps are hard to test in circuit, and even a test using a good cap meter may not tell you a great deal. If the equipment has been sitting un-energized for a long time the caps may read off spec until or unless they are reformed. In the case of electrolytic caps, the plates are separated by a liquid of some sort, usually water based, and the "cans" of the body are sealed with rubber plugs. Eventually they will all dry out, changing the capacitance and the equivalent series resistance. At some point they stop working like a capacitor and start to work as a resistor, get hot, and smoke.

I personally am in favor of replacing electrolytic capacitors in 40 plus year old equipment. Normal life expectancy is usually 10 years, so they are all well past their "sell by" date, and in the case of smaller ones, likely off spec. Large ones like filter caps can last much longer, but eventually they won't work like they are intended to with degradation of performance. Easy enough to swap them all, and they aren't expensive.
 
Yeah, I figured out pretty quickly today that testing them in circuit wasn't telling me anything with my meter, just OL. Pulled one out and then it tested correctly. Ended up unsoldering all of the pins/plugs/wires that were attaching the POWER C.BOARD(1) to the rest of the unit so I could get that board out and have GOOD access to it as digging through wire bundles with a flashlight wasn't really cutting it to get a good assessment of what all may be fried on this board.

As far as the caps go, I'm going to try to see if any sort of pattern develops when pulling and testing them to try to narrow this process down. Can't say that I've seen electrolyte (or other liquid?) leakage from caps on a board but I've heard/read about it...I have seen the copious amount of glue used on the bottom of caps from the factory though. Around the large filter caps, there appears to be some sort of residue, but I can't honestly tell if this is just build up from past cleaners/grease/dust or whatever combination, or if this would be indicative of leakage from a capacitor. Also saw this same type of grime where the small aluminum heat sinks were for TR905 and TR904 so it may just be buildup. The lighting was pain to try to get a pic of this so hopefully you'll be able to see the darker rings near the filter caps.
 

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Hope you made good notes or photos where to reconnect everything..:biggrin:
 
As long as you have gone to this extent. Seems pretty foolish to me to unsolder and old cap . Then re-install the same old cap. I would replace them all with new ones.
 
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