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Zilch's AK Design Collaborative - Econowave Speaker

got any suggestions of waveguide and xover to go with my B&C 15TRX40 woofers? I once mocked up the 12" Dayton waveguide and that might work if xover not too low

Hey Freddyi, great to see you here. I've often thought about eWaving Karlson cabs. They would really rock. I have been too busy with my new business to go over to Carls but will slow down during the holidays and hope to see him then. Cheers.
 
Econowaves on parade.

Cross posted from DIY because I'm too lazy to type it again:

Make Magazine has announced a Maker Faire Detroit, to be held at The Henry Ford 7/30 - 8/1 2010.
This is a big convention for people interested in DIY of all kinds.
I have an article in the current issue of Make Magazine on Econowave speakers. I'm planning to attend the Maker Faire Detroit as an exhibitor and would partner with other AK-ers who have developed and built audio gear. An all-DIY audio demo!
Paging Kegger... Compactron amp?
Andyman? DNewman? DJNagle? You better finish that 70 lb marble turntable by July.
 
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Cross posted from DIY because I'm too lazy to type it again:

Make Magazine has announced a Maker Faire Detroit, to be held at The Henry Ford 7/30 - 8/1 2010.
This is a big convention for people interested in DIY of all kinds.
I have an article in the current issue of Make Magazine on Econowave speakers. I'm planning to attend the Maker Faire Detroit as an exhibitor and would partner with other AK-ers who have developed and built audio gear. An all-DIY audio demo!
Paging Kegger... Compactron amp?
Andyman? DNewman? DJNagle? You better finish that 70 lb marble turntable by July.


Perfect! Count me in. This will give me an excuse to finish it. We spent the day at Dan Csomos' house yesterday and one of the things we did was glue up the chassis for my 6SL7/2A3/GM70 amp. The top plates will be laser cut in a week or so. I am also finishing the chassis for my 6LU8 amp this Tuesday night. Also, do you know the pods at the top of hang-over city street lights that hold the big ass bulbs? I just scored two of those and am thinking about making a pair of full range driver speakers out of them. That might be cool.
 
Perfect! Count me in. This will give me an excuse to finish it. We spent the day at Dan Csomos' house yesterday and one of the things we did was glue up the chassis for my 6SL7/2A3/GM70 amp. The top plates will be laser cut in a week or so. I am also finishing the chassis for my 6LU8 amp this Tuesday night. Also, do you know the pods at the top of hang-over city street lights that hold the big ass bulbs? I just scored two of those and am thinking about making a pair of full range driver speakers out of them. That might be cool.

Sweet! The more DIY stuff we have and the wilder looking the better. What about that free-form blue marble phono amp with the butter dish lids?
Did I give you that pair of 6LU8 I had? I can't find them.

It's 6 months off, but I think I'd like to build another scratch pair of Classic Ewaves with all current production parts to exhibit. That's a more relevant application for most non-audio hoarders than a vintage conversion is. The obvious choice for this is an all-PE set with trap cabs, PH612/D220Ti, whatever DC woofer works best and Zlab XO boards. The baffle of one could be secured with wing nuts so it could be removed to expose the inner bits with the parts labeled like a science project. Hand out flyers with a BOM and links for the build process.

It just occurred to me that PE might be persuaded to participate in some manner. Have to contact them on that.
 
You can always start with the start with the standard crossover for high-efficiency (>95 dB) woofers and experiment with the low-pass section (L2 & C2) based on how it sounds. That's what I'm preparing to do with the Eminence Kappalite 3015...which has a response curve that looks a good bit like the 15TRX40 with some weirdness 1000-2000 Hz. First attempt will be using the standard low-pass at 1200 Hz and the second will be using the 900 Hz low-pass variant worked up for the JBL LE14. I don't have a testing rig so I'm hoping one is a clear winner that requires no further tweaking.

I'll be going with the "standard" Pyle clone of the 6 x 12 JBL waveguide. At $12 each it is hard not to give them a try. Someone here has probably tried the 12" Dayton's...search the thread for the part number.

You have no doubt caught the recent discussions of other waveguides and drivers. Perhaps someone will recommend a combination to try. The general opinion is that the standard eWave is hard to beat and a real bargain.

DonPrice, I'm not sure, but I think the driver you are getting ready to consider is the same driver Augerpro was using with "No Quarter" If I am recalling correctly....

Russellc
 
Sweet! The more DIY stuff we have and the wilder looking the better. What about that free-form blue marble phono amp with the butter dish lids?
Did I give you that pair of 6LU8 I had? I can't find them.

It's 6 months off, but I think I'd like to build another scratch pair of Classic Ewaves with all current production parts to exhibit. That's a more relevant application for most non-audio hoarders than a vintage conversion is. The obvious choice for this is an all-PE set with trap cabs, PH612/D220Ti, whatever DC woofer works best and Zlab XO boards. The baffle of one could be secured with wing nuts so it could be removed to expose the inner bits with the parts labeled like a science project. Hand out flyers with a BOM and links for the build process.

It just occurred to me that PE might be persuaded to participate in some manner. Have to contact them on that.

As I read your post, I had the same thought as your last line. I've gotten over 15K worth of custom Harley after market parts because the bike was going to go on tour after it was built. Yes, I have the 6LU8 tubes..thanks. The blue phono pre is up and running and I can bring that with the marble TT. I like the idea of wing nuts to expose the guts of the eWave and I'm sure the Z man would send you completed xovers (hint hint Z):D
 
I stand corrected......send parts:D

I have bare boards and components on hand. I think a static display would be more appropriate than demonstrating how to solder through hole components over and over for 2 days. I certainly have better things to do than huff flux fumes nonstop. Though this cranky Accuphase integrated amp on my bench seems to want me to keep the soldering iron hot. Frikkin 2-hour interval intermittent signal noise.

Might be a good idea to collect and print pix of scratch built and converted ewaves, display them and explain the range of applications. I'd like people to see the wide range of different things you can do with this system. We have our own ideas about what's appropriate but expose enough strangers and all kinds of new concepts come out.
 
DonPrice, I'm not sure, but I think the driver you are getting ready to consider is the same driver Augerpro was using with "No Quarter" If I am recalling correctly....

Russellc

I believe Augerpro is using the 3012HO. I am a big fan of both the 3015 and 3012HO, and will follow both builds closely...

JSS
 
I think the Dayton DC250 sounds pretty good, however I am running 18db of attenuation as per the charts on some previous page and the horn is still a bit hot.

I think I'm going to try a more efficient woofer, eying the Pioneer 10" paper woofers on PE that are 94db and go down to around 35hz.
 
Whoa cool. I might have to get on a plane and join the meetup. My folks are in Ann Arbor and I'm long overdue for a visit. Let's rock the house!

House rocking is definitely in order. FYI, the 50th annual Ann Arbor Art fair is the previous weekend. I'm sure you know what that's about.
I have yet to get details from the organizers on what kind of exhibit/display/appalling spectacle we can put together but I'm sure that will be coming. I'd like to get examples or at least photos/descriptions of a variety of AK-ers' DIY audio stuff to show, with an emphasis on projects like the $150 Compactron amp, solid state chip amps and Trap Ewaves that can be built from all new retail parts.

QSC shipped my waveguides on Friday, so I should be up and running those with DE250s by the end of the week. For convenience/laziness I plan to initially run them on top of sideways ULA cabs and woofers to get a feel for how they sound.
 
Another E'Wave project.

This pair of E'Waves will be for my nephews oldest son, who will start college soon. Woofer will be the 10 inch Pioneer woofer from HPM 60's, with the 8 inch square JBL waveguide and Selenium D210Ti's.

Skywave-rider kindly tested a woofer for me, and gave me the T/S parameters. He is one of the "Good Guys."
 

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I think the Dayton DC250 sounds pretty good, however I am running 18db of attenuation as per the charts on some previous page and the horn is still a bit hot.
They sound very good in the PE trapezoidal cabs; I'm about to cut in some ports. Yes, the efficiency is low, but the bass is delicious in this size (1.6 CF) box. ;)

DC250 = Green, DC300 = Vio, both tuned to 30 Hz using 2 x 2" x 10" vents:

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This pair of E'Waves will be for my nephews oldest son, who will start college soon. Woofer will be the 10 inch Pioneer woofer from HPM 60's, with the 8 inch square JBL waveguide and Selenium D210Ti's.
VERY nice form factor, Jack. I've used the 8" in Large Advents and KLH-6 successfully, as well. If it works for you, let's discuss making them an "Official" eWaveguide. :thmbsp:

Haven't tried it yet, but I think the D2500Ti-Nd is a natural mate for those. They're also in your HT, no?
 

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