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Zilch's AK Design Collaborative - Econowave Speaker

This has probably been answered somewhere in this huge thread, but I don't have the energy to wade through it all...

Why the 1.2KHz crossover point? Selenium's specs for the D220Ti recommend crossing over above 2kHz, though the driver is rated down to 1kHz. I have a pair of the drivers on the way for my insane Lansing mutant project, and I'll probably end up using the high-efficiency version of the E-Wave crossover. As such, I'm trying to get a handle on what I'm doing.
 
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Why the 1.2KHz crossover point? Selenium's specs for the D220Ti recommend crossing over above 2kHz, though the driver is rated down to 1kHz.
The Selenium minimum recommended crossover is 1.5 kHz. eWave nominal is 1.6 kHz. Electrically, the D220Ti highpass is actually up around 3 kHz to effect HF compensation. :yes:

Has anyone tried using the Deltalite 2512 and the selenium D220ti with PH612 econo? Would like to know how that sound
Not yet.

Just do it.... :thmbsp:
 
Qsc fitment in JBL 4507 boxes

Here is the 4507 with driver removed, and pics showing waveguide's attempted fitment. The area is physically large enough to hold the wave guide, but it must be up against the surrounding edge, and the front to back brace is in the way, preventing mounting it in closer proximity to the woofer. Also, there is a slight amount of interference with the bottom two ports.

The pics of the front panel show a small screw a couple of inches below the woofer. This screw goes into the end of the front to back 2x4 brace. This brace would have to be removed, as the wave guide covers it by an inch or two. Even with the brace removed, the guide could not be movedany closer
to the mid-bass driver, as it also interferes with the bottom two ports.

Cure? I guess a new front panel, but likely isnt worth the trouble, and building a new cab would be the proper thing to do here, rather than butcher up these cabs.
 

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And the rest of the pics:
 

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Ewave rising...

So I should buy a pair instead of make a pair? :no:

:D

JR why don't you do both and report back to the Ewave society....:scratch2:

Zilch, I thought I heard an echo of wanklessness when I read the various "F Tooleism's" & quote attributed to J Gordon Holt over at Dukes place...:beatnik:

"As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (ex. DBX testing) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. This refusal is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel." - the late J. Gordon Holt.

Cheers:beerchug:
 
Zilch, a question:

EconoWave Deluxe crossover and parts list updated for compression driver protection at high SPL. Increase R1 power rating as required; use 9.1 in parallel with 10 Ohms for 20W or 4 x 4.7 Ohms in series/parallel for 40W. I left standard at a single 10W, as I detect no appreciable temperature rise under moderately high (90 dB @ 2m) listening conditions:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3448405#post3448405

Using a pair of the boards Jack made( for e'wave), to put this new 5 element crossover, (well, 6 elements with the extra coil to protect the HF) I had a question or two about the placement of the 1 mh coil and the resistors. I noticed your resistors were placed on an angle, I was wondering which pads you were hooking them up to? O r were those the Indignia boards you had there? Wouldnt the standard resistors locations put them in the proper place? (with the E'wave board I've got that is, not with the Indignia board).

As to the placement of the coil. Pete initially said to put it across the tweeters poles. this would place it after the 2 resistor, and after the L-pad aswell. does this have the same effect as when it is place where you show it on the newest schematic? If its placement isnt that important, would it work to put the 1 mh coil in the standard location on the board for the HP coil that was originally used in E'wave?

thanks

Russellc
 
Here is my question of the day....

Has anyone here E-Waved an Infinity RSa or RSb?

If so, perhaps a link to the build thread?

Thanks!

:beerchug:
 
Here is the 4507 with driver removed, and pics showing waveguide's attempted fitment.
Thank you for doing this photo analysis, Russell.

It appears to me that those ports must be closed, and the waveguide snugged up to the edge of the woofer. Even then, I'm not sure the brace would have to be moved. See Brandon's final analysis of the waveguide cutout where he demonstrates that a much smaller one is required if its front edge is rounded over to match the contour of the rear of the waveguide.

With only two ports left, I'd be looking to enlarge those and installing the proper length ducts for the desired tuning.

Replacing the front baffle would not be a huge deal, either; there's material all around the edges to remain as a cleat to attach a new flush front.

Zilch, I thought I heard an echo of wanklessness when I read the various "F Tooleism's" & quote attributed to J Gordon Holt over at Duke's place...:beatnik:
Indeed so. In the end, it seems Holt became disillusioned with much of "convention" in his field.

Using a pair of the boards Jack made( for e'wave), to put this new 5 element crossover....
It's the V1.1 board which separates the HF comp I'm using, and I'll show detail on how to fit up the Schumacher crossover. The 4.7 Ohm resisistor goes in instead of J3, and other components are reoriented.


As to the placement of the coil. Pete initially said to put it across the tweeters poles. this would place it after the 2 resistor, and after the L-pad aswell. does this have the same effect as when it is place where you show it on the newest schematic? If its placement isnt that important, would it work to put the 1 mh coil in the standard location on the board for the HP coil that was originally used in E'wave?
I tried it in all three positions, and in detail, the forward axis moved. I picked the topology producing the optimum result. With the waveguide flush mounted, as I intend ultimately to do, the forward lobe will be right where we want it to be. This should be verified with any alternative drivers or layout.

Here is the final vertical polar map of the pair at 22.5°; we're good (-6 dB) to +/- 15°:

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The Selenium minimum recommended crossover is 1.5 kHz. eWave nominal is 1.6 kHz. Electrically, the D220Ti highpass is actually up around 3 kHz to effect HF compensation. :yes:

Not yet.

Just do it.... :thmbsp:

I found what I was reading - the 2kHz recommendation is for maximum power handling. The D220Ti is rated for 60W RMS at the 1.5kHz crossover point, and 80W RMS using a 2kHz 2nd order crossover.
 
JR, did you happen to get the Zuper Zecret receipe for the MACH Stompers...:scratch2:
Aren't previews required for collaboration or "bench racing"...:banana:

Mach stompers currently reside at Zilchlab in all their glory!:yes:

Parts are currently on the unubtainium list.:D
 
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