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A $9200 receiver? Really?

Hajidub said:
That's nothing, paid 152K to have my house built, neighbor just sold for 464K (ridiculous, but Amazon's largest warehouse just moved in). I think the receiver price is high, someone on FB Market had a fully restored Marantz 2500 and was asking $5K, he got flamed to death. I sided with the seller though I wouldn't spent that much, don't need that much power.
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You can never have too much power!?! That just confused the hell out of me? Please explain?
 
sanjib said:
I think one of the NOS 1980 sold on eBay auction for more than 20K!
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LOL! Although I can't doubt anything when I see this.
The extent of my involvement with NEC was 4 hours of testing in a spare room on low volume just to be sure it worked before I posted it for $60, I based the price on what I thought a 4 channel receiver with 50 watts per channel would actually sell for, It took a while to sell. It was a very early surround or a late quad type with 4 separate volume controls I think it had a yellow video input and output which still confuses me to this day why anyone would run video through a receiver?
 
Ziinda said:
See my other post on this subject, lots of scams on high priced stuff, insurance fraud is way too easy to do when the item is shipped. They would investigate for sure but it's unlikely to catch them with even the dumbest of crooks since sites like eBay don't require much proof of anything to force an insurance claim. With so many bad buyers I never shipped without full value insurance and my average cost for a box that was 28x28x16 was $30 through fed ex going to zone 8 (AZ to any East cost state including Maine). That was 8 years ago and prices may have increased but I doubt it could be have gone up more than 200%?
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It was a joke
 
BamaBilly said:
Whoa whoa whoa, what do you mean by “these people”!?! :rflmao::rflmao::rflmao:
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Ummm, the larger than average percentage of Sheldon’s in this hobby :dunno:

Edit: and that’s just an opinion formed from growing up around my dads audio clubs in the 70’s and my “associates” in this hobby. Cool thing is, all the AK’ers I know locally do not appear to be that :thumbsup:
 
62caddy said:
Last year one sold $20K. It was as new in box- albeit opened.

Not unlike the muscle car market of $500,000 - $1,000,000 cars: Everywhere when new > 99% were trashed > T-I-M-E > large audience of those who remembered/wanted them new now wants one.

Classic supply and demand.
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There's no comparing a pioneer receiver to something you built to go fast and got you laid, can't remember any receivers getting girls to come over to talk to me let alone having them take off their clothes because 'it turned them on". Fast cars were crashed and junked at alarming rates back then so it contributes to rarity, receivers get put in a closet and sold for cheap. There's still many available that owners have forgotten and have no idea if they have any value. I doubt receivers have the same craving that cars muster up which explains the car prices, I can understand that but I have a way different feeling for audio gear.
 
Ziinda said:
. I doubt receivers have the same craving that cars muster up which explains the car prices,
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Of course they do. But the audience is tiny ie: like the geeks on here. There is a market for high $$ receivers but as already mentioned it’s a nostalgia thing for most and a cool to have thing for Hipsters (not using that in a bad way) but the 20-40 somethings I personably know are smart enough to buy new quality gear for that kind of $$ when they are ready to move up from their $200 70’s receiver.
 
Ziinda said:
Really how rare could it be? How many were made? It's still a Pioneer receiver no matter how you look at it. My amps are hidden from sight and will clobber that receiver on all specs, I mean over 6 times the output and they're made in 1985. They probably made less of my amps than they made of that receiver, it's only popular because so many bought them and sold them when they broke many decades ago and now wish they would have kept it. Emotions are probably the biggest factor in the price, problem is those people who had one are now getting too old to worry about it and there's fewer buyers that would consider it for even a fraction of the price without sentimental attachment, you have little interest. The funny thing is our memories of past audio gear gets smeared and the typical memory is always so much better than reality, most that do pick up old receivers quickly realize that fact and end up keeping as a second system that rarely gets used.

This is simply a ditch effort on hoping to find someone who has big $ and wants to relive that Summer as a youth. Well, unitl it smokes, then find out it's never going to be worth what they paid and puts it in the closet forever

We'll see how long it stays posted, that's the only thing that will show if others feel it's worth the price, I my self obviously can't see how this one is worth 8 times the price of hundreds of others for sale around the world.
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People who buy these receivers couldn't care less about specs any more than buyers of late 60s early 70s muscle cars for six figures couldn't care lass about the same thing.

Quantity built is not the important factor; rarity of condition is. Just as with muscle cars, very few mass produced Japanese receivers survived in mint condition- perhaps only a few percent. Add in the all the original packaging, paperwork, manuals etc which contributes that much more to rarity and the price it commands.

Otherwise there's nothing that money can't fix and one with the means to drop $10K-$20K on a piece of vintage audio equipment is going to have wherewithal to keep it up and running.
 
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t4t3r said:
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. :) I expected this response but it still doesn't make any sense to me. $15k can buy you so much amplifier that isn't 50 years old and doesn't need service/rebuild. Krell, Mac, etc. the list goes on. Enthusiasts with 100k+ vinyl setup aren't running them off a Pioneer 1980.

I get the nostalgia factor, the looks, etc but you can get the sound at a fraction of the price. Maybe l
t4t3r said:
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. :) I expected this response but it still doesn't make any sense to me. $15k can buy you so much amplifier that isn't 50 years old and doesn't need service/rebuild. Krell, Mac, etc. the list goes on. Enthusiasts with 100k+ vinyl setup aren't running them off a Pioneer 1980.

I get the nostalgia factor, the looks, etc but you can get the sound at a fraction of the price. Maybe less than 1% of people actually need 270w? This bubble can't burst fast enough.
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ess than 1% of people actually need 270w? This bubble can't burst fast enough.
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If it means anything, my 2 amps QSC 3500 Series 3 ($240 for both used) were made in 1985 so when you talk about age you can see I'm not too concerned about that but what does matter to me is how much better you can buy than this and if the amp is able to run 1 ohm loads you're not limited in speakers you can run which to me is the most important part of the entire system. Once you limit your speakers you can run safely you have compromised the entire idea of an audio system. The bonus of having 1200 watts per channel is never going to be a deterant, that's why they have input controls on those amps. High power requires high damping at low frequency, 500 factor @ 40hz and less is a minimum, not sure what pioneer provided with these.
 
Grenadeslio said:
who says they don't already have all that gear and just want this receiver also

Jay Leno completely restored his old Fiat X19 and has it in his collection, also a bunch of Stanley Steamers:dunno:
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Wonder how many home receivers he has collected, I don't think you can compare cars from the 60s and 70s to receivers, it a completely different thing and I'm willing to bet that most guys (given unlimited funds) will be thinking about what old car they would buy over what old receiver they would buy.
 
Ziinda said:
Wonder how many home receivers he has collected, I don't think you can compare cars from the 60s and 70s to receivers, it a completely different thing and I'm willing to bet that most guys (given unlimited funds) will be thinking about what old car they would buy over what old receiver they would buy.
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Depends on what your into. That is to large of a generalization for an individuals what/need.
 
GChief said:
Your over thinking it. People buying these vintage receivers are not worried about any of that… for the most part.
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I do realize that but those people are very rare and that's what's makes this even more unreasonably priced. I would think asking half of this would be more than enough and be happy you dumped it off for a profit.
 
Ziinda said:
I do realize that but those people are very rare and that's what's makes this even more unreasonably priced. I would think asking half of this would be more than enough and be happy you dumped it off for a profit.
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Well the fact remains that gear is selling for these prices. Stating your opinion on this subject as fact does not change the actual facts. :D
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GChief said:
Depends on what your into. That is to large of a generalization for an individuals what/need.
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Come on be realistic, there's way more car collectors than stereo receiver collectors. This site proves that, go check out some car sites and see how many a give there are. One major difference is repairing cars can be done by most owners where audio repair is something that is becoming a rare task. People are connected to cars because of this, a broken the receiver is rarely ever considered for repair by the general population
 
t4t3r said:
Well said. I don’t think either perspective is unwarranted, and there’s not a lot of communities where healthy discussions on this sort of topic can happen without going out of control. Hopefully this one doesn’t go that way. I don’t think this hobby has ever seen such a bubble as it is in now, but I also hope it doesn’t continue in the current direction. Again, just my opinion, but this stuff was meant to be used and enjoyed not just put on some shelf or left in the box.

To one of the other posts, just because someone registered ~4 years ago doesn’t make them a new member. :) Lots of good knowledge to read here from people who have forgotten more than I’ll ever know about music/audio.
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Being a new member doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about, it just means they probably have not read as many archived posts as others, but even that's questionable since reading posts doesn't require you to have an id. I guess what I'm saying is they may step on some toes during discussions
 
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