A $9200 receiver? Really?
- Thread starter Ziinda
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It becomes far more difficult to file a return claim when local pickup is involved so there’s more to it than that. I sure wouldn’t want to chance shipping a $20k unit giving some clown the chance to sabotage it in order to make some bogus claim of “not as described” when they get buyer’s remorse.
The problem is that the 5590 sounds pretty damn good and it’s got horsepower!
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
You are letting all the knobs switches buttons dials and meters influence your judgement. The sale of the unit could buy a high powered high end amp, Audio Research preamp and a tuner. No where near the collection of knobs switches buttons dials and meters but oh such sweet sounds. My 5580 is over there holding up other gear. Separates are in the main rig and a cheap set of late model remote controlled HK Citation gear with 200 wpc form the bedroom system. The 5580 looks a lot better than the Cit 22, 23, 25 stack. Not so much compared to the main rig.
But there is a very strong desire to pilot a big receiver in the ak community and many never try separates. Enjoy.
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I have no opposition to separates, but I really do like this unit! My main system now consists of a Marantz 240 power amp and a McIntosh MX 113 preamp. A Rega P 3 with Sumiko Blue Point Special cartridge and a Sony CD player. It’s not just receivers for me…
Snow
Super Member
Some people are stuck on the idea that separates have to sound better then a receiver will and that is not always the case, no doubt if you go high enough up in the audio food chain you can beat the sound of any common receiver but I doubt unless you happen to get very lucky at a yard sale or the like that you are going to find a high end amp preamp and tuner for what you could get if you sell the SX-5590. I suppose one would have to define high end also.
Regards Snow
I just retired as a 12-6, made $91K with locality pay added in.
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
Dang the web isn't right, again.
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
Oh we can't go there. Too many arguments.
baeron
Lunatic Member
L. Larabee
Active Member
I bought a used 1980 in 1983 for $400. Kept it for 3 months and sold it for $500. It sounded below average, got hotter than a tube amp and needed 2 people to move it-3 to carry it.
Snow
Super Member
While I agree with you on the sound of the SX-1980 something had to be wrong with it to get that hot even though they tend to get hot. Three people to carry it? that would look like a group of monkeys screwing a football and have to be awkward as hell for the third guy. They only weigh 78 lbs even I in my 60's can still tuck one under one arm and carry it by myself until I run out of breath which is not for long these days considering the shape of my lungs. I can understand if you have a bad back or some such not wanting or being able too. The trick is to grab it in the middle with one hand so the weight is in a central location and lift with your entire body if possible so you don't strain or pull something. I had a 5 way bypass done in February of last year so lost a good bit of strength due to that but had no issue doing just that with a Bose 1801 amp a few months ago pretty sure there close to the same weight.
Regards Snow
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superdog
AK Member
Off topic somewhat but I remember my older sister sending me to the corner grocery for cigarettes.They were 35 cents a pack and the kicker is I was about ten years old and they were selling them to me.No big deal.This was about 1971.
goodolpg
Just an old fart trying to help.
I used big-ass receivers for maybe 35 years, was happy. Still have them, one is in a secondary system.
Then I bought an amp and a preamp, then another amp and preamp. May have been just experimenting at that point.
Then I bought a pair of power hungry speakers that I would not have purchased had I not had an amp able to power them.
In fact I had passed on a pair of the same speakers maybe 3 years previously strictly because I knew a receiver was not going to be a good match.
Ziinda
Active Member
I do agree that they might be better than anything made by the 3 remaining mainstream well known named rmakers of receivers now but once you start looking at the $8000 Price range and exclude any surround type systems you're going to find some very nice stuff available that I doubt anyone would consider to be second to anything made in the 1970s or early 80s. Especially once you look at different component pieces, I would probably end up going crazy trying to pick from the enormous variety of stuff that's available.
However I am one that has no concern for gimmicks, streaming, digital inputs or anything that will be considered to be old news 6 months after you buy it. There seems to be a common thread that's been a constant amoung those who are in the know and have been there tried that at some time, just to find out that what's touted as "new tech" or new design, is usually not worth bothering with. From class D to H to TD to F or any other type of amp claiming to be the next big thing, only to find out that there is a catch or limitation with bugs to work out along way.
I would always stick with analog everything accept for original source, I have found that a preamp is not even a necessary part of a system. With prices up beyond $20k on a totl preamp which equates to nothing more than a source selector and volume control, not dealing with it at all seems to be the smartest idea. The main concern is having the lowest noise added so why take the chance when your source can lower volume or in some cases your amp can do it, of course this is easiest with a single source.
My experience with DSP units has soured my interest in anything "digital" at this point, knowing now that conversion to digital is never going to "improve" the sound or offer any extra control over pure analog no matter how you look at it. It's just a cheaper way to perform alterations with a low noise floor, it's just too bad that there is such a huge loss in realistic sound. That's why so many will talk of the importance of a high quality DAC, but those are the things that become old news every 6 months!
Ziinda
Active Member
I'm not sure how much shipping you've done but I was selling full time on eBay and I never paid over $100 to ship anything accept an old full size slot machine that I repaired and had to ship to San Francisco. Even at 250+ lbs and was packed in a crate I made out of 2x4s and thin plywood that measured 8 feet around and 42" tall. The buyer set up the transport with a semi truck. When I tried to find out costs to ship I saw prices that were all over the place. It comes down to who has a truck in your area and has a load going neae your destination (shipping wars perfect example). Figure they spent $400 for the machine, I doubt they paid more for shipping than the value of it or they would have bought one that was closer for more money. They checked cost before they bought it and the machine they bought was not picked for a collection or any reason other than the condition and it was a 4 real machine that was in a lowboy case which is a very small cabinet for an old electromechanical. The buyer was a wife for her husband, so there were a few limitations placed on the purchase, size and cost were probably the main factors.
What I'm saying is a 70 lb feild telescope that was just under the largest size that USPS carried was under $100 to ship, so $200 for a receiver (even going from Miami to Seattle) is simply gouging a buyer. Weight, box size and zone set prices, extra insurance is only a few extra dollars, but I doubt that they would accept that value without an investigation.
You do realize that people run scams on these types of sales on ebay. Fake buyer (known by seller) buys it then the seller sends a box with a different item and buyer then claims it arrived damaged, seller files an insurance claim to pay the buyer back. Buyer owns the same receiver that's broken just in case they ask to see it. Nobody knows what was actually sent but can't prove it wasn't the receiver that the buyer took in for inspection. I always suspect anything with big prices to be a scam in action. I was making insurance claims based on buyers telling me things arrived damaged but they were not required to show proof of damage according to eBay rules. I paid to get some items shipped back to me after they got their refund and found them to work fine even one that has an obvious hammer smash spot on the front corner of the item, but they reused the original shipping box to return it and the box had no damage to it at all! eBay did nothing when I reported this and the buyer took 2 weeks before they reported it as damaged! The funny thing was that it still worked fine even though they reported it as not functioning properly!
Ziinda
Active Member
You could just insure it for $10,000
See my other post on this subject, lots of scams on high priced stuff, insurance fraud is way too easy to do when the item is shipped. They would investigate for sure but it's unlikely to catch them with even the dumbest of crooks since sites like eBay don't require much proof of anything to force an insurance claim. With so many bad buyers I never shipped without full value insurance and my average cost for a box that was 28x28x16 was $30 through fed ex going to zone 8 (AZ to any East cost state including Maine). That was 8 years ago and prices may have increased but I doubt it could be have gone up more than 200%?
Ziinda
Active Member
That's a reverb post I'm not sure if it's being sold through an eBay seller or not, I just saw it when I was pricing some local sales. Im not famiar with reverb sales since I don't sell it buy from there.
You're correct that the shipping cost makes no difference since eBay charges the seller on total amount paid by the buyer. It can be costly when shipping costs the same as selling cost then buyers claim it's damaged and you have to refund without question, you lose your item unless you pay for it to be sent back. Buyers gamble that you won't pay to return it and they keep it knowing it works fine, if you want it back, they'll drop it on the concrete a few times, then return it, most are still working when I got them!
Ziinda
Active Member
Really how rare could it be? How many were made? It's still a Pioneer receiver no matter how you look at it. My amps are hidden from sight and will clobber that receiver on all specs, I mean over 6 times the output and they're made in 1985. They probably made less of my amps than they made of that receiver, it's only popular because so many bought them and sold them when they broke many decades ago and now wish they would have kept it. Emotions are probably the biggest factor in the price, problem is those people who had one are now getting too old to worry about it and there's fewer buyers that would consider it for even a fraction of the price without sentimental attachment, you have little interest. The funny thing is our memories of past audio gear gets smeared and the typical memory is always so much better than reality, most that do pick up old receivers quickly realize that fact and end up keeping as a second system that rarely gets used.
This is simply a ditch effort on hoping to find someone who has big $ and wants to relive that Summer as a youth. Well, unitl it smokes, then find out it's never going to be worth what they paid and puts it in the closet forever
We'll see how long it stays posted, that's the only thing that will show if others feel it's worth the price, I my self obviously can't see how this one is worth 8 times the price of hundreds of others for sale around the world.
Ziinda
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I don't Facebook for any reason, you'll need to sumerize what's there for us who don't want to be involved with facebook, I'm sure I'm not alone on this.