Advent Large Speakers.

[peerson]

I was not making any "Point". Just saying that is what I got mine for. There are a lot of really good deals "out there", if you are patient and diligent in the search. I sometimes pay too much for things, sometimes I find great deals. The Advents were a great deal that everyone that looks on "The Bay" would have seen, at the time. They chose not to bid, I guess. Oh, and I was incorrect. They were $74

 

[PureQuill]

I was not making any "Point". Just saying that is what I got mine for. There are a lot of really good deals "out there", if you are patient and diligent in the search. I sometimes pay too much for things, sometimes I find great deals. The Advents were a great deal that everyone that looks on "The Bay" would have seen, at the time. They chose not to bid, I guess. Oh, and I was incorrect. They were $74

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Since you posted the photo the 1st thing I would point out is they are NLA’s not OLA’s
Also unknown about your ebay NLA’s
Have the crossover been recapped?
If so by whom and with what?
Were the woofers reformed? Again by whom & with what foams.
Your photos & post do not show drivers or the quality of the workmanship or materials used or if in fact that they have been properly restored & serviced at all.

So I assume that you bought your NLA’s with out physically seeing or actually hearing the speakers 1st before you bought them,
I see also you live in Kansas city & the OP lives in LA
I bet the costs of just about everything in KC is much less and vastly cheaper than they are in LA
Oh and just reminder they are NLA’s
Not the original Advent OLA’s
All of which factor big into the actual value & price asked and paid

Also may I point out post 10 OP posts I bought them & paid $300
Then 4 posts latter in Post 14 you contribute to what basically amounts to “I only paid a 1/4 that”…

Please explain how is post 14 helpful or relevant to the restored OLA’S the OP bought?
So yep whats your point?
PQ



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[peerson]

I have no response to that. Not worth my time. Have a nice day, sir/or madam

 

[mstrane21]

I was not making any "Point". Just saying that is what I got mine for. There are a lot of really good deals "out there", if you are patient and diligent in the search. I sometimes pay too much for things, sometimes I find great deals. The Advents were a great deal that everyone that looks on "The Bay" would have seen, at the time. They chose not to bid, I guess. Oh, and I was incorrect. They were $74

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Free shipping?

 

[peerson]

Free shipping?

Local Pick Up

 

[hughman61]

Very nice looking Original Large Advents in walnut veneer!

If you see another pair for sale sometime in the future, you can "stack 'em" That's how I have my 2 pair set up.

The fellow I bought these from has another pair I'm considering picking up? Now I'm wondering whether a pair of 3 ways would compliment the system? For instance 3 ways up front and the Advents in the rear?

 

[ranch 22b]

I can't speak to the front/rear approach but if you intend on stacking speakers, it's been my experience that two pair of the same speaker, sound better than two pair of different speakers.

You also might want to keep in mind that running 2 pair of eight ohm speakers at the same time is usually okay for most amps but mixing a pair of eights and a pair of sixes will significantly stress many amps. And if running 2 pair of 4 ohm speakers at the same time, one is really asking for trouble.

 

[knockbill]

I love my OLAs,,, first woofers I refoamed and they came out perfect with Rick Cobbs kit... I refinished the Walnut veneer also... Hope you enjoy your as I do mine!!

 

[hughman61]

I own both OLA & NLA’s I re-foamed the woofers ,recapped the crossovers & re-firbed the cabinets with Howard’s Restore a finish.
Both look & sound excellent and are in use daily.
Yes I bought them for $75 & $100 in very good cosmetic condition with rotted woofers.
But I have several full days work in each pair because I am a perfectionist.
No way I would sell mine for $150-$200 rather give the to friend or family.

Yours look excellent and if you take into consideration the time & labor spent getting them in tip top shape & ready for at least another 20 years.
I think $300 is fair if you are happy with them…They are a classic speaker in every sense of the word. They are a also a perfect match for your Marantz receiver!
Proof that nice vintage gear doesn't have to cost a small fortune.

To put things in perspective you could go to a “Big Box" store & see what $300 gets you…
I seriously doubt that anybody will bother with them in the future when the foams rot or blow a driver…they will most likely end up in a landfill or GW.


As always YMMV
Enjoy your OLA’s
Cheers
PQ

I appreciate your thoughts on my system purchase. I feel as though I got a fine price. I considered all the time and work he put into the restoration and yes that I'd have these for many years to come. I feel that getting a decent price for something is fine but always working to get a steal is counter productive on some level( maybe on a Karmic level)...at one point in the sale we were at $25 difference and I internally figured what's the point? He threw in high quality speaker wire and I was walking away with a complete functioning system, all I had to do was plug and play, listening to it right now For complete transparency I paid $925 for everything. Those 4270's on eBay without wood cabinet go for above $700.00 the TT go for $90 and we've already discussed the Advent price. As Sumner Redstone said in an interview a long while ago he always looked for a business deal where it was a win, win. I consider it as such and I made a friend in the process.

~Hugh

 

[hughman61]

I can't speak to the front/rear approach but if you intend on stacking speakers, it's been my experience that two pair of the same speaker, sound better than two pair of different speakers.

You also might want to keep in mind that running 2 pair of eight ohm speakers at the same time is usually okay for most amps but mixing a pair of eights and a pair of sixes will significantly stress many amps. And if running 2 pair of 4 ohm speakers at the same time, one is really asking for trouble.

I'll keep that in mind. If you had a 6 ohm set could you put a 2 ohm resistor before it to balance the load out? Just a shot in the dark here, this is unknown territory for me.

 

[hughman61]

I love my OLAs,,, first woofers I refoamed and they came out perfect with Rick Cobbs kit... I refinished the Walnut veneer also... Hope you enjoy your as I do mine!!

Am

 

[hughman61]

Since you posted the photo the 1st thing I would point out is they are NLA’s not OLA’s
Also unknown about your ebay NLA’s
Have the crossover been recapped?
If so by whom and with what?
Were the woofers reformed? Again by whom & with what foams.
Your photos & post do not show drivers or the quality of the workmanship or materials used or if in fact that they have been properly restored & serviced at all.

So I assume that you bought your NLA’s with out physically seeing or actually hearing the speakers 1st before you bought them,
I see also you live in Kansas city & the OP lives in LA
I bet the costs of just about everything in KC is much less and vastly cheaper than they are in LA
Oh and just reminder they are NLA’s
Not the original Advent OLA’s
All of which factor big into the actual value & price asked and paid

I meant to make this point. I am reluctant to buy audio equipment without hearing it. The seller and I had great conversation, homemade salsa, Italian beer and listened to music. Thanks!

Also may I point out post 10 OP posts I bought them & paid $300
Then 4 posts latter in Post 14 you contribute to what basically amounts to “I only paid a 1/4 that”…

Please explain how is post 14 helpful or relevant to the restored OLA’S the OP bought?
So yep whats your point?
PQ

 

[PureQuill]

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The fellow I bought these from has another pair I'm considering picking up? Now I'm wondering whether a pair of 3 ways would compliment the system? For instance 3 ways up front and the Advents in the rear?

Me, I personally would not mix the speaker types if you plan on running in stereo mode (70 watts per ch) also running front rear speakers in stero will mess up the sound stage & stereo imaging keep in mind that most of the what you will be listening to is 2 channel..mixing speaker types that have different efficiency ratings and frequency response can raise phase and other issues.

If plan you on utilizing your Marantz in quadraphonic mode ( 25 watts per channel) then maybe.
There are some folks here that love quad and enjoy seeking out quad recordings.
But in reality the amount of quad recording out there is very limited and in different formats..
Thats what killed quad.. too many competing and incompatible formats turned consumers off.

As many others have posted (& there are multiple threads) on how great stacked OLA’s sound.
That is the way I would go.
As you said you have already built a relationship & are familiar with the seller.
If you have the funds and are comfortable with the price I would go for it!
Wouldn’t hurt to ask for a reasonable reduction in price if you by all 4 Advents.
That saves him the time & hassle of dealing with other potential buyers.
Your Win/Win deal!

Cheers
PQ

 

[hughman61]

Very nice looking Original Large Advents in walnut veneer!

If you see another pair for sale sometime in the future, you can "stack 'em" That's how I have my 2 pair set up.

Tell me how do you stack them? And what makes them great stacked? Are stacked OLA's better than a good 3 way pair? Perhaps these are obvious questions but I really don't understand. Am I missing something with 2 ways vs. 3 ways say midrange harmonics?

 

[darkblue94]

Tell me how do you stack them? And what makes them great stacked? Are stacked OLA's better than a good 3 way pair? Perhaps these are obvious questions but I really don't understand. Am I missing something with 2 ways vs. 3 ways say midrange harmonics?

Yep, you're missing the artifacts inherent in the crossover design differences.

 

[PureQuill]

Tell me how do you stack them? And what makes them great stacked? Are stacked OLA's better than a good 3 way pair? Perhaps these are obvious questions but I really don't understand. Am I missing something with 2 ways vs. 3 ways say midrange harmonics?

Lots of different theories & opinions about speaker & crossover designs.

I think you may enjoy this link
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/most-influential-speakers

And this..

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/IP.Board/index.php?/topic/5624-matching-up-advents-for-stacking/
I believe that the old rule-of-thumb on stacking like-model speakers is to put the tweeters close together in the vertical-stacking arrangement. On the other hand, if the woofers are together -- with the tweeters at the top and bottom -- a phenomenon known as "mutual-radiation" causes the bass response (below the frequency of ultimate-radiation impedance) to rise about 3 dB all the way down to resonance. This is akin to placing single left- and right-channel speakers in the corners. Unfortunately, this rise in this overall low-frequency output does not give added bass extension; the resonance stays the same, but the output (relative to the midrange/treble) gets "heavier" and "punchier" as a result. With the tweeters at the top and bottom, other odd diffraction effects can occur. Using unlike models of a speaker, as in different vintages of the Large Advent, the only real issue might be efficiency, with one set getting more of the amplifier's output than the other set, but otherwise it should work fine.
Stacking mainly gives a system increased power-handling capability and greater "impact," it might also give the sense of a larger sound source with increased spaciousness.

I suggest that you ask detailed questions about your OLA speakers in the speaker forum …Dollars & Sense is really a value forum and the only place that value & money discussions are allowed on AK.

If you post your questions in the speaker forum..

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?forums/speakers.27/

You will get much better info from folks who are very knowledgeable about speakers & the science behind different drivers, crossover & speaker designs.
Also try using the search box in the upper right hand corner before you post a question.
Very often you will find multiple threads about the subject that you are wanting learn about.
Welcome to AK!
PQ

PS may I suggest that if you are finding AK informative & helpful consider becoming a subscriber & help support this site.
Some of the most experienced members here are much more inclined to give you their expert & detailed advise and often go above and beyond helpful if you are a subscribing member & help support this site

 

[jmchrislip]

I would pay that much for refurbished Large Advents. However, the shipping will kill you. Those are pretty heavy.

 

[hughman61]

Lots of different theories & opinions about speaker & crossover designs.

I think you may enjoy this link
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/most-influential-speakers

And this..

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/IP.Board/index.php?/topic/5624-matching-up-advents-for-stacking/
I believe that the old rule-of-thumb on stacking like-model speakers is to put the tweeters close together in the vertical-stacking arrangement. On the other hand, if the woofers are together -- with the tweeters at the top and bottom -- a phenomenon known as "mutual-radiation" causes the bass response (below the frequency of ultimate-radiation impedance) to rise about 3 dB all the way down to resonance. This is akin to placing single left- and right-channel speakers in the corners. Unfortunately, this rise in this overall low-frequency output does not give added bass extension; the resonance stays the same, but the output (relative to the midrange/treble) gets "heavier" and "punchier" as a result. With the tweeters at the top and bottom, other odd diffraction effects can occur. Using unlike models of a speaker, as in different vintages of the Large Advent, the only real issue might be efficiency, with one set getting more of the amplifier's output than the other set, but otherwise it should work fine.
Stacking mainly gives a system increased power-handling capability and greater "impact," it might also give the sense of a larger sound source with increased spaciousness.

I suggest that you ask detailed questions about your OLA speakers in the speaker forum …Dollars & Sense is really a value forum and the only place that value & money discussions are allowed on AK.

If you post your questions in the speaker forum..

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?forums/speakers.27/

You will get much better info from folks who are very knowledgeable about speakers & the science behind different drivers, crossover & speaker designs.
Also try using the search box in the upper right hand corner before you post a question.
Very often you will find multiple threads about the subject that you are wanting learn about.
Welcome to AK!
PQ

PS may I suggest that if you are finding AK informative & helpful consider becoming a subscriber & help support this site.
Some of the most experienced members here are much more inclined to give you their expert & detailed advise and often go above and beyond helpful if you are a subscribing member & help support this site

Yes, thanks for all the links and advice. I'll subscribe asap.

~Hugh

 

[hughman61]

Lots of different theories & opinions about speaker & crossover designs.

I think you may enjoy this link
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/most-influential-speakers

And this..

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/IP.Board/index.php?/topic/5624-matching-up-advents-for-stacking/
I believe that the old rule-of-thumb on stacking like-model speakers is to put the tweeters close together in the vertical-stacking arrangement. On the other hand, if the woofers are together -- with the tweeters at the top and bottom -- a phenomenon known as "mutual-radiation" causes the bass response (below the frequency of ultimate-radiation impedance) to rise about 3 dB all the way down to resonance. This is akin to placing single left- and right-channel speakers in the corners. Unfortunately, this rise in this overall low-frequency output does not give added bass extension; the resonance stays the same, but the output (relative to the midrange/treble) gets "heavier" and "punchier" as a result. With the tweeters at the top and bottom, other odd diffraction effects can occur. Using unlike models of a speaker, as in different vintages of the Large Advent, the only real issue might be efficiency, with one set getting more of the amplifier's output than the other set, but otherwise it should work fine.
Stacking mainly gives a system increased power-handling capability and greater "impact," it might also give the sense of a larger sound source with increased spaciousness.

I suggest that you ask detailed questions about your OLA speakers in the speaker forum …Dollars & Sense is really a value forum and the only place that value & money discussions are allowed on AK.

If you post your questions in the speaker forum..

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?forums/speakers.27/

You will get much better info from folks who are very knowledgeable about speakers & the science behind different drivers, crossover & speaker designs.
Also try using the search box in the upper right hand corner before you post a question.
Very often you will find multiple threads about the subject that you are wanting learn about.
Welcome to AK!
PQ

PS may I suggest that if you are finding AK informative & helpful consider becoming a subscriber & help support this site.
Some of the most experienced members here are much more inclined to give you their expert & detailed advise and often go above and beyond helpful if you are a subscribing member & help support this site

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[ranch 22b]

I have my stacked OLA's "tweeter to tweeter". That is, the bottom speaker is upright, with the top speaker upside down.

I've found that in my room, the stacked Advents, if anything, have (had) too much bass, even away from the corners and a couple of feet in from the rear wall. That is, before I went down from the 85 wpc Nikko NR-1015 receiver to the 55 wpc Nikko NR-815. With the 815, I can run my tone controls flat.

This may sound strange but I've found that my OLA's love moving coil phono cartridges. I had a Wow! moment when I first tried a Denon DL-110 with them and later improved on that with the low output Denon DL-103. It's taken me years to get the sound I was looking for out of the OLA's but I am very satisfied now.