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AU-X1

Here are Amp8's examples from:

http://amp8.com/sansui/x-xx/x1/au-x1-5.htm

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Make it look like this and you'll be good.

I got to double check that SM now and see if it's indeed in error.
Hey Ron I'm able to power up both right and left channels now but I'm having trouble setting the bias and power supply voltages for some reason..
 
Hey Ron I'm able to power up both right and left channels now but I'm having trouble setting the bias and power supply voltages for some reason..
I've been trying to set the bias current using the middle pin as seen in the pic.it's supposed to be 25mv but I can't get it past 12mv and on the power supply f-2778 the left and right -10v are right on but I can't get the -47.5v past -33v I'm wondering if I have the wrong trimmers in there?20160812_202533.jpg
 
Keep all trimmers at zero or at center position as described in the SM bias adjustment steps. All those components need time to settle down.

Give it some time to let the large lytics and all others to settle. :thumbsup:

Measure and monitor voltages for now.

Might your issue be that trimmers 1 and 2 on the 2778 board fails to change voltage?
(Trimmers 1 and 2 on the 2778 are nearest to the phono board.)
If so, see Harolda's notes on grounding. He had the same issue and fixed it by fixing or upgrading the grounding wire.

Last time he checked in he was too busy with a house move / construction too finalize his X1 or to participate much on AK.
 
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Measure the drivers from the bottom as recommended by the SM.
That is when adjusting VR2 to 25mv
 
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Measure the drivers from the bottom as recommended by the SM.
I've been working on it all day,re did the right side main caps,replaced all the small signal transistors and diodes in both F-2775 boards,stared at F-2778 for an hour but couldn't find anything wrong with it then replaced all the small diodes in F-2819,put all the outputs in like the manual said then switched them back the right way.Kinda tired of looking at right now..
 
I've been working on it all day,re did the right side main caps,replaced all the small signal transistors and diodes in both F-2775 boards,stared at F-2778 for an hour but couldn't find anything wrong with it then replaced all the small diodes in F-2819,put all the outputs in like the manual said then switched them back the right way.Kinda tired of looking at right now..

Yeah. This part of the process can be really stressful and tiring.
 
To quote myself from http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/diy-au-d11-ii-bias-adjustment.686243/

It took my noobie brain forever to figure out what "emitter of power transistor" meant.

These documents were written in Japan and then translated. The translators are rarely technical specialists and will defer to the most direct translation when it comes to the deeper technical details and procedural instructions.

So, "DC voltage between Emitter of power transistor"
should actually have been written as (for example)
The DC voltage between the emitters of the power transistors...

Measure the DC voltage from the emitter of transistor ... to the emitter of transistor...

In the case of the X1, using grabber probes long enough to reach the output transistors to be measured, attach each of the two voltmeter probes to anything that directly touches the emitter legs of the two output transistors designated as the driver/VR 2 measuring point.

The emitter legs will touch / sit installed in the sockets on the socket array on the inside of the driver to be adjusted.

This picture shows the socket array.
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Make sure the probes grab those points where the emitter legs are as directly as possible.
 
To quote myself from http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/diy-au-d11-ii-bias-adjustment.686243/





In the case of the X1, using grabber probes long enough to reach the output transistors to be measured, attach each of the two voltmeter probes to anything that directly touches the emitter legs of the two output transistors designated as the driver/VR 2 measuring point.

The emitter legs will touch / sit installed in the sockets on the socket array on the inside of the driver to be adjusted.

This picture shows the socket array.
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Make sure the probes grab those points where the emitter legs are as directly as possible.
Why does the service manual point out the 3 prong test point for setting bias and dc offset?
 
I've been trying to set the bias current using the middle pin as seen in the pic.it's supposed to be 25mv but I can't get it past 12mv and on the power supply f-2778 the left and right -10v are right on but I can't get the -47.5v past -33v I'm wondering if I have the wrong trimmers in there?View attachment 774097

Willy for bias current you want the OUTER 2 pins of that connector, the middle pin doesn't go anywhere.

For measuring DC offset I always used either end of the big varnished copper coil measured to chassis ground.

If you can only get -33v from the regulated PSU you may have a grounding problem, OR incoming voltage from the rectifiers too low, OR the wrong zeners installed, OR a downstream short or back to front capacitor dragging the voltage down, OR something wrong with the 'series pass' regulator transistors (on the heatsinks). There are TWO separate regulators - are they both the same?.... big clue!

I would doubt that big a voltage shortfall would be due to wrong trimmers - but check them anyway. :)
 
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Why does the service manual point out the 3 prong test point for setting bias and dc offset?

The way I describe is certain and very direct to the area effected by turning VR2.

It is the first way recommended in steps 3 and 4 of the
"4.2 F-2775 Driver Circuit Adjustment" part of the "4. ADJUSTMENTS" page.

The test point shown in the picture on page 12 did not work well for me.

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The way I laid out is the absolute best means to test your dialing-in of the VR2 trimpot of your drivers.

Heck, I wish I tried both ways at the same time to confirm that the page 12 "T. P" points on my 2775 boards matched the voltage readings from the more direct way I suggest.
If I had done this I could say with certainty how reliable the points shown on page 12 are.

Assuming you have 2 volt meters Willy you can do that testing and confirm that the readings you get measuring from below and above both match.

I would do it myself, but I'm currently traveling and scheduled to arrive home next Thursday.

I will certainly do it when I get home if you choose not to.
 
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Willy for bias current you want the OUTER 2 pins of that connector, the middle pin doesn't go anywhere.

For measuring DC offset I always used either end of the big varnished copper coil measured to chassis ground.

If you can only get -33v from the regulated PSU you may have a grounding problem, OR incoming voltage from the rectifiers too low, OR the wrong zeners installed, OR a downstream short or back to front capacitor dragging the voltage down, OR something wrong with the 'series pass' regulator transistors (on the heatsinks). There are TWO separate regulators - are they both the same?.... big clue!

I would doubt that big a voltage shortfall would be due to wrong trimmers - but check them anyway. :)
All of those measurements were taken with the it plugged in to the dbt and using a 75 watt light bulb. should I plug it directly in to power and try again?
 
Even though they test good I decided to replace all of those because I read one of kale's threads about black corrosion on the leads can creep inside the plastic case and contaminate the device and most of them have black corrosion on the leads.
 
I was able to set the bias using Ron's method but I'm still having trouble with F-2778.After I set the bias I plugged in to direct power and the voltage readings went from -33v to - 63v and when I try to adjust them down to -47.5v the lowest I can go is around -55 on the left and -60 on the right
 
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