dbsupercrew
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Just picked up a pair of very vintage looking speakers from a GW with the brand Genesis. Haven't hooked them up yet, and no model number. Serial numbers are consecutive. Anybody have any input on these?
Genesis speakers
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tensleep
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See if you can find pictures of your speaker on this website:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/
If you can, then they should be very nice speakers. If you can post pictures of yours, that will help us help you.
http://www.humanspeakers.com/
If you can, then they should be very nice speakers. If you can post pictures of yours, that will help us help you.
dbsupercrew
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Bstable
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I have a pair of Genesis 110s that I got last year (I bought so many speakers in a 2 month period I still can't remember where I got these)
Anyway, the sound from these is nothing short of incredible. I am sure that if your Genesis are not sounding GREAT, then something is indeed wrong. I can't recall reading anything BAD about EPI/Genesis speakers.
I was going to sell my 110s because I've grown tired of gear everywhere. I am having second thoughts, because these are my best sounding speakers next to my Polk Monitor 10s...and they would give the Polk a run for the money.
I hope that you solve the "muddy sound problem" Some other EPI/Genesis experts will be here shortly to help you out. The drivers are apparently still available at Human Speakers.
Good Luck
Anyway, the sound from these is nothing short of incredible. I am sure that if your Genesis are not sounding GREAT, then something is indeed wrong. I can't recall reading anything BAD about EPI/Genesis speakers.
I was going to sell my 110s because I've grown tired of gear everywhere. I am having second thoughts, because these are my best sounding speakers next to my Polk Monitor 10s...and they would give the Polk a run for the money.
I hope that you solve the "muddy sound problem" Some other EPI/Genesis experts will be here shortly to help you out. The drivers are apparently still available at Human Speakers.
Good Luck
They do come up for sale on that auction site fairly frequently. Or become an AK subscriber and post an ad in the Barter Town forum....
MeatInStereo
Can outrun 80% of snakes
i don't have a scematic of those in front of me but check the resistance of the resistor and make sure it is in tolerance. I have an issue with my EPI 601's and I am over hauling the crossovers soon. I just got the parts in. Those are the correct tweeters. They are air spring tweeters...same as mine.
tensleep
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dbsupercrew,
I believe that your speaker is the Genesis Model 1:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen1.htm
Your crossover is a simple high pass filter capacitor in series with the tweeter. If you are measuring across both the tweeter and the capacitor, that will throw off your measurements. The capacitor is old and is usually the culprit for lack of high frequencies in an older speaker system like yours. Double check the tweeter alone before you assume it has failed.
Your speaker could be the Genesis 110:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen110.htm
Studying this wiring diagram, you will notice that there is a coil in this crossover design. Same rules for measuring the tweeter - make sure you aren't measuring across the coil and capacitor, only the tweeter.
If the tweeter is still good, replace the capacitor in either speaker. If you have the 110, the coil will most likely still be good - they rarely fail and don't age. After all, it is just a coil of wire.
Here is a picture of the Genesis lineup that look the most like what you have:
If your tweeters are toast, you are in luck! Long time AK member in good standing, dnewma04 has a pair listed in Barter Town, a forum open only to subscribers. You can shoot him a pm for more information.
I believe that your speaker is the Genesis Model 1:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen1.htm
Your crossover is a simple high pass filter capacitor in series with the tweeter. If you are measuring across both the tweeter and the capacitor, that will throw off your measurements. The capacitor is old and is usually the culprit for lack of high frequencies in an older speaker system like yours. Double check the tweeter alone before you assume it has failed.
Your speaker could be the Genesis 110:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/genesis/gen110.htm
Studying this wiring diagram, you will notice that there is a coil in this crossover design. Same rules for measuring the tweeter - make sure you aren't measuring across the coil and capacitor, only the tweeter.
If the tweeter is still good, replace the capacitor in either speaker. If you have the 110, the coil will most likely still be good - they rarely fail and don't age. After all, it is just a coil of wire.
Here is a picture of the Genesis lineup that look the most like what you have:
If your tweeters are toast, you are in luck! Long time AK member in good standing, dnewma04 has a pair listed in Barter Town, a forum open only to subscribers. You can shoot him a pm for more information.
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Russellc
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I had a pair of the Genesis 2 speakers, first "real" speaker I ever bought.
Looks like those have been refoamed usinf non original type surrounds, which Genesis usually used lime green. they didnt last very long either! ( the surrounds) Human spreakers is the place for all things to do with these.
Rebuild the crossover with better cap(s)....mine only had a switch, a resistor, and a cap for the crossover. I think, IIRC the woofer ran wide open. Passive made great bass.
russellc
Looks like those have been refoamed usinf non original type surrounds, which Genesis usually used lime green. they didnt last very long either! ( the surrounds) Human spreakers is the place for all things to do with these.
Rebuild the crossover with better cap(s)....mine only had a switch, a resistor, and a cap for the crossover. I think, IIRC the woofer ran wide open. Passive made great bass.
russellc
It is hard to tell from the pics but those are either refoamed 1's (the original foam would be green) 10's or if the woofer is 10" instead of 8" then they are 110's.
Muddy is not a term used to describe fully working Genesis speakers. The tweeters can fry easily (still crying about blowing mine in my 1's and 10's) and it sounds like that is the problem you have. You could take them out and carefully and at low volume hook them up to a reciever to see if you get clear sound, if not then you know they are gone.
Muddy is not a term used to describe fully working Genesis speakers. The tweeters can fry easily (still crying about blowing mine in my 1's and 10's) and it sounds like that is the problem you have. You could take them out and carefully and at low volume hook them up to a reciever to see if you get clear sound, if not then you know they are gone.
dbsupercrew
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I did a resistance test on the tweeters.............both open...........looks like I will considering replacements. The woofers are 8".Thanks for all the info!
relaximus
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I don't believe this is correct. The Model I's utilized green surrounds; the Model 1's were charcoal colored.
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sealy
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Not quite. EPI preceded Genesis. The Genesis tweeters are doped to better control tweeter resonance, whereas the EPI tweeters, to my knowledge, are not. I have a pair of each and can see a difference.
