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Has vinyl peaked?

Unorganized and mute consumers don't steer the helm of the industry that produces for their needs. In such docile moments marketing becomes the driving factor behind whats good and bad for us. Just shove the cheapest thing for the most amount of money down our throats.

Thus shushing us which are outspoken would be doing your individual self a bad favor.

Oh and I like what marc said. :)
 
And that's the biggest problem!
C'mon. geeks are clearly the new "cool". Seriously, if the increasing number of turntables of all levels I see in the serious audio shop in town is any indication I don't think things have peaked just yet. That I have 12 year old students consulting with me about buying their first table is another.

As for myself I'd say that while I never stopped playing LPs my interest and involvement in the medium has done nothing but increase over the past decade or so and seems unlikely to do so.
 
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The answer to the OP’s question is yes; it peaked in the last century and bottomed out at century's end. Since then the vinyl market (including TT/TA/cart, etc) has shown a slow but steady climb with peaks and valleys occurring along the way. Record sales show we are currently experiencing a vinyl surge. Surges are typically followed by a plunge of some sort. I think the long-term trend is still up, one reason is that album covers are cool and the marketing realm of Consumerism sells cool.
 
This vinyl resurgence was a social trend. SQ had very little to do with it. I remember when the audiophiles for the most part took a shovel to vinyls head. It was not a sound quality issue at the time. In fact all the big gun turntable makers secured their own demise by taking an all out run at the State of The Art. They released some of their greatest monster tables to compete on sound against the new medium only to find they still couldn't compete with the little sliding tray and the remote control of a CDP.

Convenience is and has always been at the heart of this. I see the same comments here concerning music servers as I did all those years ago. I mean these days it's hard to sell a preamp that has no remote so vinyls days are numbered again this time by the same thing that killed it last time! You have to get off your ass every 20 minutes and its still almost impossible to sell RCM's. This time around has at least provided some comedy however. I am amazed at how many late adopters this time seem to think that they can plunk down $100 for a used POC turntable and expect it to blow their minds! These fellas are unaware of the fact that the early CDP's as horrible as they were blew that log splitter they just grabbed out of the water 20 years ago.

At the end of the day CD's were released years too early. The technology was half baked and still soggy in the middle. But the powers that be led by marketing wizards as usual cared only about the dollars a new medium would provide as another version of the White album and DSOTM would be sold. The first CDP's should have made the monster tables by Seiki, Goldmund and Maplenoll sound like 8 Track players. If they had, then these trendy kids with their mini's and imported pots might have dragged a Wreck Your Wrekords turntable out of some junk store and played it for the trendy thing it is. But a vinyl vs CD debate would have died with the monster tables back in the 80's.

BTW I would not be surprised if vinyl comes back again. I mean after all three times a charm. Some kid is going to pay $10 for a VPI Classic and 50 albums in 25 years and tell his friends " Hey man this things sounds better than my sonic sound projector" and his buddy is going to say "no it doesn't" :thmbsp:

Marc mc

Some good points, but this does not really address the fact that THE most enjoyable form of listening is live, which also doubles, easily as the least convenient, particularly in the Midwest where shows seem only to be on Wednesdays. Yet people go. I like both...and tape. And radio...and anything that isn't a file. I can tell.
Vinyl is cool. CDs and files are convenient. Both have a place at my house: I own over 3000 CDS and they aren't ever leavin here. I also love my vinyl for other reasons. And I grew up on tape. My ears are able to enjoy nearly anything that isn't harsh. What bothers me is that CDs were supposed to be impervious to most scratches and such, and are actually worse than albums for surface issues. IMO
 
Tape (reel2reel, cassettes, DAT) ruled for me throughout the 7ties, 8ties and 9ties. Having the ability to record songs in sequences spanning different artists and genres was much more important to me than ultimate SQ.

The only time I sat down and listened to the whole side of an LP, or an entire CD, was when deciding which songs to record. Many LPs and CDs were bought just for one song. Ripping digital was obviously a natural progression.
 
Tape (reel2reel, cassettes, DAT) ruled for me throughout the 7ties, 8ties and 9ties. Having the ability to record songs in sequences spanning different artists and genres was much more important to me than ultimate SQ.

The only time I sat down and listened to the whole side of an LP, or an entire CD, was when deciding which songs to record. Many LPs and CDs were bought just for one song. Ripping digital was obviously a natural progression.

man you really cant go wrong with a good mix tape! I remember going to an older kids house down the street and we would dig through his records and make mix tape after mix tape for me. He introduced me to a ton of great music that way. good times!
 
man you really cant go wrong with a good mix tape! I remember going to an older kids house down the street and we would dig through his records and make mix tape after mix tape for me. He introduced me to a ton of great music that way. good times!

I loved making mix tapes. They were a time-consuming pain in the ass and once you got past a certain point it was pointless to redo...you really had to think out every move, especially when nearing the end of a side.

I bought this book right before Borders went under:

http://www.amazon.com/Cassette-From-My-Ex-Soundtracks/dp/B004A14W86/ref=pd_sim_b_1

I love it. Different artists/writers using what they had put on mixtapes they made to tell stories of lost love, etc.
 
I loved making mix tapes. They were a time-consuming pain in the ass and once you got past a certain point it was pointless to redo...you really had to think out every move, especially when nearing the end of a side.

I bought this book right before Borders went under:

http://www.amazon.com/Cassette-From-My-Ex-Soundtracks/dp/B004A14W86/ref=pd_sim_b_1

I love it. Different artists/writers using what they had put on mixtapes they made to tell stories of lost love, etc.

oh yeah man, it was time consuming, first listening to all the records , picking out exactly what songs would go on the tape, what order, trying to squeeze as many songs as possible on to each side. Then cruising around in your car, so excited that you have your new mix tape, windows rolled down, blasting your music and singing along to every word. Hell I still have a box somewhere with some of my mix tapes. Those were some good times indeed!
 
I kept all of my mixtapes. They're the only tapes I kept (besides 4-track home recordings). Most of the better ones I gave to other people but made several for myself, in my car, pre-CD/iPod. I still have a tape player in my car, I should dig them out and spend a few weeks with them. I had hundreds of prerecorded tapes at one point and they weren't worth anything. I remember one day, in the middle of a move, having the box just leaning on the edge of the dumpster and closing my eyes and pushing it in. Nobody wanted them, and they just took up space.
 
oh yeah man, it was time consuming, first listening to all the records , picking out exactly what songs would go on the tape, what order, trying to squeeze as many songs as possible on to each side. Then cruising around in your car, so excited that you have your new mix tape, windows rolled down, blasting your music and singing along to every word. Hell I still have a box somewhere with some of my mix tapes. Those were some good times indeed!

One of the great things about digital is that mixes are no longer time consuming to create. Just rip everything you like (all artists, all genres) in any order then put together playlists later. Something like an exercise mix, when it's exercise time, is just a touch away.
 
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I've been making mixes on Mog that I play often. Its odd having a choice of almost any song you could imagine.
 
One of the great things about digital is that mixes are no longer time consuming to create. Just rip everything you like in any order then put together playlists later. Something like an exercise mix, when it's exercise time, is just a touch away.

I do make my playlist but it's just not the same. All that hard work made it that much more enjoyable when you were done. Which actually leads us back to vinyl, I think sometimes all the effort, cleaning, set up etc makes it more rewarding when you sit down and listen a record, like all the work is done you now you get to sit down and listen to a click and pop free, quiet as a mouse awesome sounding record. :thmbsp:
 
all my stupid mixtapes are what's keeping me from getting rid of my last cassette deck, and I haven't listened to the things in 15 years.

It's hard to let go of the past, sometimes.
 
I do make my playlist but it's just not the same. All that hard work made it that much more enjoyable when you were done. Which actually leads us back to vinyl, I think sometimes all the effort, cleaning, set up etc makes it more rewarding when you sit down and listen a record, like all the work is done you now you get to sit down and listen to a click and pop free, quiet as a mouse awesome sounding record. :thmbsp:

Sold or gave away my entire vinyl LP collection by 1989 and have never looked back at vinyl. They have all been replaced with CDs since then.
 
I still make mix tapes, when I have the time. They sound great in the car, and I get really excited when I find a stash of high bias blanks at estate sales for 25 or 50 cents apiece. Most people have no idea that Maxell no longer makes XLII's. I got a 5-pack for $2 at Goodwill a couple of weeks ago!
 
To me the issue is sound. For my old ears, and money, vinyl still beats anything else I have heard. It is a question of fidelity imho.
 
I was part of the indie-crowd of the 1990s that spawned the hipsters, or sort of morphed into them as what was a smaller crowd became much more popular. As such, I identify with them and also can't stand them to some degree. A friend of mine is 22 and I talked to her at length today about them, as she's more in the thick of it than I am any more. She said the worst she's heard recently is of a group that all ride their fixed gear bikes to the lake and listen to Russian classical music on ipods while reading the New York Times on iPads. As in, that's their thing and they're very snobby about it. Oh, and that she saw three people in the past two weeks carrying turntables down the street. Not playing them...just carrying them. She very much recognized playing records as a hipster thing, though she's a fan of music.

They're an odd bunch for sure. I'm glad they're having fun but they're really an arrogant bunch. But I guess my group of indie-snobs wasn't much different, and for no good reason. All the bands we were so high-and-mighty about are mostly forgotten and weren't that good to begin with. Every generation has its version of this behavior.

Me..I put my VPI back in play and forgot how much the Juicy Music Tercel lifts the performance of the whole vinyl rig. It makes a bigger difference than switching tables out, to be honest. Its a fantastic phono stage. But also part of the pain and expense of running the whole rig. Without it, the rig doesn't match my digital setup. With it, it does. Sometimes. Depending on pressing, cleanliness, condition of the record, which way the wind blows, you name it. So many variables. My digital setup is either better or equal most times, and is far more consistent. That consistency is really attractive to me, but I can't say that my records sound bad at all. They sound great, but it comes at a cost that I'm losing patience with paying.

Best thing I ever did was buy a fully automatic linear-tracking turntable. Cart setup took about 40 seconds and I can play (one side) of an LP with the push of a button. It allows me to fill the gap of what I don't have in digital and sounds pretty nice to boot.

I often worry that my gear isn't on par with what others have here (note: nothing in my sig is current) and I get caught up in the debates of why one brand is better than another. But, at the end of the day, I just fire up my system, put on an LP or a CD and remember why it's all worthwhile. Opinions are only worth so much, you know?
 
all my stupid mixtapes are what's keeping me from getting rid of my last cassette deck, and I haven't listened to the things in 15 years.

It's hard to let go of the past, sometimes.

I have mix tapes I made on 8-Track in 1975 sitting 5 feet away from me and I just can't seem to find a way to get rid of them. I still have a working 8-track player, just in case...
 
Vinyl peaked?

Vinyl peaked? ... :no: It will probably be the last surviving hard media format as a niche product.

Philips decided to exit the consumer electronics ...

In a recent interview which appeared in the Wall Street Journal, Philips' CEO, Frans van Houten, explained the reasons behind such a surprising decision. Profits of the Home Entertainment area were becoming more and more marginal ...

Since we have online entertainment, people do not buy Blu-ray and DVD players anymore, Mr. Van Houten said.
This might sound like a bold statement to us, human beings of the Audiophile World, but that's the way the market is reacting to online multimedia contents. It is increasingly apparent that there will soon be no room left for physical media. Only vinyl will survive, as a niche product.


http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/march13.html
 
I recently upgraded my Windows operating system to version 8 over the internet.

I downloaded the file - paid with paypal - they emailed me the key to use.

No physical product involved. Way of the future.
 
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