here we go again, new format, new medium,new equipment
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jazzmans
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Funny,I think his five albums of 'standards' are absolutely brilliant.
just goes to show different strokes.
Shadows in the night
Devil Dolls
Fallen Angels
Comin home late
til the sun goes down
And if you haven't, defintely catch his internet show, his commentary on songs (not his own songs) is fascinating.
As to yet another new format?
meh. it'll sink without a trace is my bet.
T-Bone Burnett is a musical genius, but doubt that will matter with this 'new' format. Look how long Pono lasted.
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Awesome,cant wait.
NH-MAN
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Description of tech involved in the article is vague at best for a reason, so I am not understanding the negative comments. One cannot comment on something that is out of the relm of one's thoughts as it hasn't happened before and still over our heads until we find out exactly how this works. It will be interesting in the future to learn what is actually going on and exactly how it works.
If you tell people to much about the tech, they will already make a decision or an opinion whether it's good or not with zero experience with it. It's better to give someone the whole plate let them see for themselves and then say this is how it woks.
Launching something so new and exciting with Bob Dylan yikes, but if he was instrumental that's what ya get, but for marketing not a good Idea. If Dylan wants to make money, he should be smart enough and in his best interest to step aside for the first launch and let it be someone else with a more diverse audience.
I have no issue with him but when thinking "HiFi" he just is nowhere in sight.
If you tell people to much about the tech, they will already make a decision or an opinion whether it's good or not with zero experience with it. It's better to give someone the whole plate let them see for themselves and then say this is how it woks.
Launching something so new and exciting with Bob Dylan yikes, but if he was instrumental that's what ya get, but for marketing not a good Idea. If Dylan wants to make money, he should be smart enough and in his best interest to step aside for the first launch and let it be someone else with a more diverse audience.
I have no issue with him but when thinking "HiFi" he just is nowhere in sight.
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Late Boomer
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What is wrong with people using their knowledge about how things can and cannot work? You can patent a perpetuum mobile, but it won't work, so who cares.
cpt_paranoia
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Just thought I'd muse on the capability of physical analogue media, compared to digital.
Let's say we use 24 bit digital samples as a reference.. This gives a numeric sample range of 16777216. So the resolution is one part in 16777216.
If we allow a physical representation with similar resolution, and, let's say, use a physical element 1mm in size as the maximum value, that means we need the ability to create physical structures with mechanical resolution of 1mm/16777216 = 60pm, 60e-12m
I think that's a tall order...
This isn't about recording and playback fidelity of a particular medium. It's about euphonic distortion or mastering.
Let's say we use 24 bit digital samples as a reference.. This gives a numeric sample range of 16777216. So the resolution is one part in 16777216.
If we allow a physical representation with similar resolution, and, let's say, use a physical element 1mm in size as the maximum value, that means we need the ability to create physical structures with mechanical resolution of 1mm/16777216 = 60pm, 60e-12m
I think that's a tall order...
This isn't about recording and playback fidelity of a particular medium. It's about euphonic distortion or mastering.
RunOutGroove
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That makes sense... I remember hearing about some kind of test, probably here on this forum, where an analog master tape was dubbed into digital with a very high sampling rate and the resulting dub sounded so much like the original that expert audio engineers couldn't reliably pick which one was the original analog and which was the digital dub. If that's indeed the case then it seems that any kind of processing that makes a recording sound more "analog" can be preserved in a digital mix and have it sound just like the original. I do think that most of the complaints regarding digital media have everything to do with the the way that things are mixed and mastered and little to do with the medium itself...
cpt_paranoia
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I confess I'm being a bit disingenuous, because whilst 24 bits is a common sample size, there are very few ADCs or DACs that can actually achieve a 24 bit SNR. You're doing very well if you can achieve 120dB at 192kSa/s. So that reduces our effective resolution by 4 bits, so our mechanical resolution increases by 16, to about 1 nanometre. I think that's still a tall order...
THF2
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Saw him a few years ago with the opening act as Elvis Costello.
Once Elvis finished, Bob came on and pretty much kept his back to the audience with (at best) a mediocre voice. We left after the 4th song with much dismay.
My sense is that he probably does not care what anyone thinks about his current performances. People are buying tickets for nostalgia purposes only.
With regards to this new initiative, trying to introduce another new format in todays digital Vs. Analog world is at the very least challenging regardless of who the sponsors are.
just dave
vintage rules!
That is an awesome recording of one of the greatest albums ever.Anyone who falls asleep to that is just....old.
Late Boomer
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What did the humanity gain from Elon Musk throwing a used Tesla into space? Same thing here, although on a much smaller scale.
NH-MAN
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I was talking about the article, there really wasn't enough information given to imagine exactly what they are doing.
Late Boomer
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Oh, but there was.
https://variety.com/2022/music/news...io-analog-medium-1235241159/#article-comments excerpt:
"This painting, however, has the additional quality of containing that music, which can be heard by putting a stylus into the spiral and spinning it.”
I don't know -- it seems like they published that article 25 days too late.
"This painting, however, has the additional quality of containing that music, which can be heard by putting a stylus into the spiral and spinning it.”
I don't know -- it seems like they published that article 25 days too late.
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Late Boomer
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Stegano audio?
pauldrewry
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Pono wasn't a new media format. It was just a high-end version of a digital media player, created by Neil Young, someone who cares about audio quality.
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