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Being a fan of Marantz gear I've been watching this thread and was going to comment on a post by Layoutpad(I think), but it seems to have been deleted. AK is a pretty positive place and I don't like these extra negative threads. I got involved int one about LPgear. I didn't like it, but poor business practices get me pretty steamed.
I think taking a deposit and then telling people that they have no right to a refund after a large amount of time is garbage. I get it that running a business is tough, and taking a deposit and then having to refund it a week later is a pain. But when no communication is made about the deposit "system" you cannot expect people to wait years on that deposit. Adding in that those deposits were used for personal reasons is beyond garbage. I worked as a cabinet maker for a guy who was always doing the "deposit shuffle". I got stuck in the middle of it with customers and hated it. Eventually I noticed the pattern. He also did it with payday. A cheque written on a Friday would bounce on Tuesday, but he'd have new wheels/tires put on his truck that weekend. He would try and get out of payday close to Christmas, but all of a sudden his kid would have a new dirt bike. There was always an excuse. When I finally quit, it took 7 weeks to get my final cheque. I only got it because I found out he had been working at another job(while he was supposed to running his company) and showed up and made a big show in front of his "new" boss and co-workers.
I appreciate that you have personal issues, and I applaud the fact that you came here to offer an opinion, but I'll echo Layoupad and say you should offer deposit refunds to those waiting a large amount of time.

@KrisM

Guess you saw the post. (I deleted after thinking about it.)

If IRM doen't understand how wrong it is to do what he is doing,
I'm not going to waste time trying to explain it to him.

Thanks for your response to my deleted post and I wish the best of luck to all who have risked their $$ (and equipment) to the guy.

Anyone who chooses to do so in the future...They can make that decision for themselves.
 
@KrisM

Guess you saw the post. (I deleted after thinking about it.)

If IRM doen't understand how wrong it is to do what he is doing,
I'm not going to waste time trying to explain it to him.

Thanks for your response to my deleted post and I wish the best of luck to all who have risked their $$ (and equipment) to the guy.

Anyone who chooses to do so in the future...They can make that decision for themselves.

I agree, and I usually walk away from things like this(online and in "real" life). But sometimes I feel that people need to be told they are wrong. My history with my last employer has basically taught me to not bite my tongue with this sort of thing. Crap is crap. This operation needed to be called out. This operation needs to realize the influence, both negative and positive, depending on the situation, that AK has. And if nothing but excuses and "don't like it? then don't do business with me" type comments follow we all know how well that will work out for this guy.
 
all my customers are informed of the wait. everyone has to see this page before i allow them to sign up: http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/policy.html The deposit page on my commerce site, the only place where people can sign up for my service also directs them to this page. Due to the nature of restorations, I can't give a highly accurate time frame for people. It's too dynamic across my queue. I tell them what the current wait time is and they decide for themselves. When informed, the are also supposed to note that i say "minimum wait" time. right now I am telling people that my backlog is at least 12 months. Note the "At least". So somehow after informing people, I am still the bad guy? Again, i avoided these forums because of this kind of stuff. Everybody seems to know better than everyone else. My work speaks for itself, my customers are happy people. i get few, very few returns. I see a bunch of people here supporting their own business by putting mine down. You will notice i haven't been on this site. I don't need to put down others for my own gain. I have plenty of work by doing things the way i'm doing them. A good portion of the work i get is due to word of mouth. i don't advertise. People are informed of the system i provide. They choose to join and have me do their restorations. I don't need anyone here to approve or disapprove. My work brings back customers. Run your business the way you want to, i'll run mine the way i want.
 
Hello everyone and I appreciate the opportunity to address some of these posts. Normally I don’t spend time on bulletin boards simply because I don’t have the time. Plus I don’t really feel that it’s beneficial to nay say or argue about what I do and/or how I run my IRM website. I certainly don’t feel that sitting here throwing out excuses is of any help either. But I do at least want to address the things I have read in this thread due to the fact that hearsay and incorrect information can do damage to my reputation. I was informed of this thread by a customer who is also one of your members.
First let me start out by letting you all in on some facts about IRM. It was started as a hobby site, a completely DIY site. I did it as a project one Sunday as an exercise in web design work mostly to keep from becoming rusty. At the time I was fully employed as a contract engineer/tech (hardware) for a local aerospace R&D company in Grass Valley. But as the economy dried up, so did the jobs in the area. During this time, people began to notice my website and ask me about all sorts of things re Marantz gear and among these emails, I began to get requests to do the work I described in my DIY pages. It was much welcomed work as I transitioned out of the corporate world and into becoming my own boss. I had repaired not only hundreds of consumer, midfi and hi-fi as well as professional audio and video gear over the years and also Marantz gear. I found I loved the Marantz gear, not only to work on but also because of how it sounded. We had a 2235B in our family for years. It was the first to be restored by IRM.
I am now in my 4th year of restoration work. The commerce site started in 2009. I am now working pretty much 7 days a week, wearing all the hats of the business. If I were to figure it out, I’m sure I make less than $5 an hour. I used to make over $40 an hour as an engineer. But this is what I love to do. In answer to questions here, yes: I have taken deposits and created a business from this source of money. I also shed an alcoholic wife of 23 years. Sadly a good portion of the deposit money that I would have much preferred to use to build the business has gone to deal with these issues. So why do I take deposits? First of all, because of the cost of shipping and what the market for this kind of work will bear, I have to keep my prices low. Quoting someone $500 before shipping is pretty much a deal breaker. But more importantly, because I am a one man show, I simply don’t have the time to keep track of people coming in and out of my queue. I’ve tried it. When I started out, I didn’t require a deposit. People were in and out of my queue daily. I spent more time updating my data than working at the bench. So I tried a refundable deposit. Suddenly I became an ATM machine. People would decide a month or so into the waiting period that they needed that 100 bucks for something else. I’m not a bank. So I ended up with a NON refundable deposit. People still knock my door down. Am I holding a gun to their heads to sign up? I’m simply trying to help everyone I can. I honestly wish I could restore these receivers faster but you can’t rush glue drying, burn-in for infant mortality of parts, etc. I had to slow people down and get the serious ones. That’s the deposit as it stands today. Don’t like it? Don’t do business with me. I’m sorry, but I prefer to do business with those who really want a serious restoration. But I’m only one guy, folks. I mean, who actually solders EVERY circuit board, EVERY connection? Do you know of a tech that does? What does HE charge? As to answering emails, I do my best to answer them all. I get hundreds a week, from all over the world. Heaven forbid I have to bail for a weekend to get some relief and I don’t get back to some people right away. I sure try to but if anyone has ever known what it’s like to get back from vacation and have to answer hundreds of emails. Nuff said. As for the missing stereo hearsay, I HAVE NEVER LOST ANYONE’S GEAR. As to the piggyback parts—mismatched parts? You have me confused with someone else. What pisses me off is the BS suggesting you know better—nitpicking little things. I’ve rebuilt hundreds of these receivers. How many have YOU rebuilt? Many of these would be in a landfill right now.
As for NTE, well let’s see. I’ve only been using them for more than 25 years with consistency. They are always available (other suppliers dry up—parts become unavailable, etc.) and they always work properly. I can spend my days at the computer researching parts all day or I can be at the bench. I know what works and I stick with it. As an electronics guy, I’ll admit I’m not the best businessman. I’m not the best at customer communications. Sorry, I hate phones. But I’m here for those that want a solid restoration and that is what I have been doing and plan to do in the future. As much as I would like to be able to break the supply and demand equation, I can’t. I’ve only got me and what I can do in the 24 hours that we get in a day--and I've pretty much given up my private life. But you can count on me being here to do this work, maybe late in emails, but I’ll be here. Don’t like the parts I use, I always offer to install what anyone wants (so long as I don’t have to cut metal). Ask me, don’t flame here with a bunch of hearsay. Email me. I’ll respond—as soon as I catch up from the freakin’ holidays!! RB Oh, and BTW, PayPal's 45 day deal is only for tangible goods and not service related businesses. You won't prevail in a dispute for the deposit. Just thought I'd let everyone know.

To the bolded: that's about as unethical as it gets.
 
A good portion of the work i get is due to word of mouth. i don't advertise.

Whaddya' mean you don't advertise? You've got a website that advertises your business. It's where I got all of my information about what you do.
FWIW, I didn't mention my own biz at all until you asked how it was that I could even know what I was talking about. I was actually comparing your work not to mine (publicly), but to the work I've seen from some fo the highly respected techs here on AK. And there is pretty much no conjecture about how they do business or the quality of the work they perform.
 
all my customers are informed of the wait. everyone has to see this page before i allow them to sign up: http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/policy.html The deposit page on my commerce site, the only place where people can sign up for my service also directs them to this page. Due to the nature of restorations, I can't give a highly accurate time frame for people. It's too dynamic across my queue. I tell them what the current wait time is and they decide for themselves. When informed, the are also supposed to note that i say "minimum wait" time. right now I am telling people that my backlog is at least 12 months. Note the "At least". So somehow after informing people, I am still the bad guy? Again, i avoided these forums because of this kind of stuff. Everybody seems to know better than everyone else. My work speaks for itself, my customers are happy people. i get few, very few returns. I see a bunch of people here supporting their own business by putting mine down. You will notice i haven't been on this site. I don't need to put down others for my own gain. I have plenty of work by doing things the way i'm doing them. A good portion of the work i get is due to word of mouth. i don't advertise. People are informed of the system i provide. They choose to join and have me do their restorations. I don't need anyone here to approve or disapprove. My work brings back customers. Run your business the way you want to, i'll run mine the way i want.

Where on your site does it say that you would rather use deposits to build the business, but deem it OK to use for personal issues? Why does somebody need to give a deposit so you can "build" your business?
I'm not even one of the (unfortunate) people that gave you money, but this whole thread makes me mad. The more you type about your business model the worse it gets. Talk about word of mouth all you want, but to ignore the honest people in this thread and not realize that their word of mouth is equal to the satisfied people is just ignorant.
And believe me, I run my business the way I want, but that includes honest taking of deposits.
 
I still honor my side of the deal. If you put down a deposit, it's as good as gold so long as you follow my policies as outlined on the website. Again, don't like it? Don't have me restore your gear, or do it yourself. No skin off my nose. On the otherhand, if you want a solid restoration (or refurbishment if you prefer) where you get the best work availalble (and YES i solder every connection with silver solder), AM and FM front end and LO alignments, and also mods that include precision resistors and more, then YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Don't want to wait? Don't like my NO BS attitude, then go somewhere else. Just so you know, not everyone goes to the extra lenghths i do when refurbishing these receivers (solder for one, obviously), and i also warrantee my work. I stand by my work and my system.
 
What does it matter what i do with the deposit when you get it applied to the final bill. I'm not screwing anyone out of anything. You people have no clue. Why don't you actually go to my site and read my policy page. There isn't anyone that GAVE me money. Their deposits are secure and when the job is complete, they get the deposit returned in the final bill. This is actually VERY common for repair shops. I've worked in several over the years. I needed deposits to cover the costs of parts and the costs of doing business. I started from scratch. I didn't get a business loan. Why is it your concern? If you want me to restore your gear, you have to follow my system. You have a choice. Don't want to, fine. BTW, i have at least one customer that has come to me after one of the people here refurbished his gear. He wasn't happy with the work. So maybe it's time to drop the high and mighty attitude. My system is simple, customers are well informed of the deal and they come back for more and so do their friends and neighbors. I don't advertise meaning i have a website, but i don't take any active role in advertising. When i started out i was on eBay.
 
Rob, I don't have an iron in your fire, so please keep me out of this. I do believe that CigarBum over on the Klipsch Forum has had a receiver lost by you, so you may want to get the issue resolved to his satisfaction. It would be a good thing for your statement re lost gear to be verified by CigarBum.

The thread has been deleted, but a search reveals a thread synopsis. He is a respected member at www.klipsch.com on the forum.

And on another note, how many of your clients on the waiting list have been informed of this?....Sadly a good portion of the deposit money that I would have much preferred to use to build the business has gone to deal with these issues.

Just be aware that multiple states have lower court decisions that have found deposits were held to be applied to material replacement costs, and not to labor service fees, unless expressly stated prior to receipt of said deposit. :-)
 
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and again this has proven to me why i avoid these forums. There tends to be a bunch of "know it alls" that have never run a business and/or have never worked in electronics or have had so little experience with the 2 that they think they know everything and how to do it better. I've been in some form of electronics business since 1986. i have several certifications including soldering in both through-hole and SMT. I have worked nearly 25 years on the production floor for professional audio and video gear in nearly every aspect of engineering, new product introduction, manufacturing, production test, final test, customer service, tech support and more. I have been a field tech for HD television facilities all over the western hemisphere. I've got more hours on a soldering iron than probably most people here. If you think you can do better than me or have a better way of doing things, then why don't you start a business and compete with me? But until you have the credentials and experience to support your position with authority, then i won't be wasting my time here. And again i'm slapping myself for coming here in the first place. What a total waste of my time. If anyone has any serious problems with me or my business please email me directly. robert@irebuildmarantz.com
 
Ok, this has turned into nothing but a pissing match. Per the rules:

Conflicts or gripes with other people or other forums do not belong on AK.

It's done.
 
IRebuildMara and IRM Bob have been banned for multiple rules violations, including, but not limited to unauthorized marketing of his website on AK, and having multiple accounts.

If any member receives a pm from someone purporting to be Bob Bowdish, or from IRebuildMarantz.com, please let a staff member know about this.
 
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