Is Rock and Roll Dead???

[Greyson]

Not at all. The thread is called is rock dead, and I said I hope so.

So basically, like the other 89 posts you've made since you joined a month ago, you're just here to be negative about a genre you neither like nor have any intrest in. Well I for one can say that we're all so much better off having heard your enlightened opinion about rock.

 

[Theo Simon]

So basically, like the other 89 posts you've made since you joined a month ago, you're just here to be negative about a genre you neither like nor have any intrest in. Well I for one can say that we're all so much better off having heard your enlightened opinion about rock.

There are lots of other kinds of music.

I like electronica and trance, for instance.

I don't understand the fixation with that old stuff. It was passe already by 1973.

I did not raise the question, but I certainly do think that the kind of stuff people were performing in the late 60s and early 70s is long gone.

The Doors, Hendrix, Janis Joplin....etc

Mostly because they are dead.

 

[Kptn Howdie]

The 70s? Quite possibly the most dreadful era of music of all time.

Give me Culture Club, The Fixx, A Flock of Seagulls, Dire Straits, Spandau Ballet, Robert Palmer, The Alan Parsons Project, Nu Shooz, Animotion, Berlin, Prefab Sprout, or any of the New Romantic bands of the 80s.

James Taylor? Are you kidding me? 'You've got a fix....' Neil Young? Blecchhhh.

some of the stuff from the 70`s is dreadful for sure, but the question is: is a previous era of music directly responsible for the next?

anyway, give me culture club too!!!!

 

[Theo Simon]

some of the stuff from the 70`s is dreadful for sure, but the question is: is a previous era of music directly responsible for the next?

I don't know what you mean there.

 

[Tom Brennan]

There are lots of other kinds of music.

No kidding. You should start a thread about some of them, then you could discuss something you're interested in and (presumably) know something about.

Since your criticisms are of the form itself and not developments within the form you've little to say though that doesn't stop you from repeatedly saying it.

I don't like Be Bop very much. Having little interest I have little knowledge and therefore little useful to say about it other than that I don't like it. That pretty much exhausts me on the subject. You see what I'm getting at here?

 

[btlefn1]

... I certainly do think that the kind of stuff people were performing in the late 60s and early 70s is long gone.

The Doors, Hendrix, Janis Joplin....etc

Mostly because they are dead.

But because these artists lived in an era when they were able to record their music, and thanks to the audio re-production equipment everyone here loves so much, they're not really gone, and they won't be as long as someone wants to listen to them.

 

[Greyson]

I like electronica and trance, for instance.

I don't understand the fixation with that old stuff. It was passe already by 1973.

Really. You don't understand why people still enjoy the music they grew up with?

I like Electronic music but I think Trance is awful. I don't have any legitimate reasons to support why I think this way, I just know that I don't like it, and think my opinion is important enough that everyone else needs to read about how much I don't like it.

 

[Theo Simon]

Really. You don't understand why people still enjoy the music they grew up with?

I like Electronic music but I think Trance is awful. I don't have any legitimate reasons to support why I think this way, I just know that I don't like it, and think my opinion is important enough that everyone else needs to read about how much I don't like it.

No, I don't understand it at all. I hated most of the music I grew up with and still do. Most particularly, I hated the 'teenage' songs of the early 60s. Leslie Gore, and whoever sang My Boyfriend's Back, and the song with the motorcycle crash Look out look out look out!

Oh, it was Leader of the Pack.

I hated the Beach Boys too. I hated all of it until Simon and Garfunkel. Donovan was OK too. Cream had a couple of good tunes, but that was about it.

The 70s were worse. Neil Young's Harvest deserves a special mention in the annals of awful albums, along with Living in the Material World..

 

[Theo Simon]

Really. You don't understand why people still enjoy the music they grew up with?

I like Electronic music but I think Trance is awful. I don't have any legitimate reasons to support why I think this way, I just know that I don't like it, and think my opinion is important enough that everyone else needs to read about how much I don't like it.

Well maybe you are thinking of something else. I mean stuff like Enigma, Delerium, and B-Tribe.

 

[Greyson]

Well maybe you are thinking of something else. I mean stuff like Enigma, Delerium, and B-Tribe.

All 3 of the bands you listed are variations of Downtempo, House, and Ambient. Not Trance.

 

[shacky]

You're expected to like rock because you're posting in a thread about it.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: :screwy:

 

[Andyman]

I listened to some Black Keys yesterday and while it was good I don't see them setting the music scene on fire. For some reason rock used to set the world on fire, or so it seemed, but the different delivery and all the micro marketing and niche targeting don't allow the broad exposure that was the norm back in the 60's and 70's. Heck, most of the really big bands had a Top 40 single along the way. AOR changed that a bit with monster lps like DSOTM, but still catered to much broader audiences than todays distribution does.

 

[Theo Simon]

All 3 of the bands you listed are variations of Downtempo, House, and Ambient. Not Trance.

I call it 'Trance', but that's my term.

 

[JohnVF]

Really. You don't understand why people still enjoy the music they grew up with?

I like Electronic music but I think Trance is awful. I don't have any legitimate reasons to support why I think this way, I just know that I don't like it, and think my opinion is important enough that everyone else needs to read about how much I don't like it.

I understand why people like the music they grew up with. I just don't understand their liking it to the exclusion of everything else. As in, why treat it as the only thing you can possibly listen to? I grew up on The Smiths and Joy Division but man, I can only listen to Unknown Pleasures so many times before I want another genre or just anything new that I haven't heard a million times, and I don't want to listen to all of the Joy Division clones that are out now..I'd just might as well listen to the real thing, and find something my brain isn't already expecting.

But we're having this discussion on an internet forum that, more than anything I've ever come across, is filled with people obsessed with the time period they grew up in. This places is extremely nostalgic in its taste for nearly everything.

 

[automojo]

Yeppers, ya nailed it Bud.

The Stones kicked off their 50th Anniversary Tour this week I think. Who were the young mega rockers last year that will have that kind of longevity??

Who knows? Music evolves, changes, just like society.
When the Stones/Zep/Beatles/Who where popular it was a different era.
Same with the 80's-90's early 2000's.
There are a lot of different new types/avenues of entertainment available with each new decade, let alone competition for limited funds.
IMHO the Stones last good album (and concert for that matter) was Tattoo You, since that they have been mailing it in (Steel Wheels was my last Stones concert-and there was a huge lack of energy between Tattoo You and 'Wheels-yep their old I realize it).
Same with the Who/Plant...Van Halen..whatever.....
The ticket prices they command vs the quality of performance is a stretch IMHO.
Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse was good, but the following shows pretty much the same.
Roger Waters IMHO still put's on a good show, and is worth the price of admission.
Some of my opinion is biased, because I was fortunate to see these bands (not the Beatles)in their peak, and unavoidably judge the future performances by early "standard".
My wife (a bit younger then me) and her friends like the band Muse (I went to a concert with her, not my type of musicper se, but it was a energetic show and I really enjoyed it).
They apparently sell out some pretty large venues...and fairly popular.
I'm sure there are others.
Some bands just don't like performing in large venues, and prefer (as I do as well seeing) smaller shows.
In fact most of my favorite shows have been smaller venues.
Perhaps that's why I enjoyed the garage bands/indie/DIY of the 80's, so much because you could see good shows/music much easier/cheaper...have a few beers/etc and have more fun then sitting in a stadium.
Music evolves, thankfully, and it's easy to move on (for me) form those classic rock years. I still enjoy them on occasion, but for me they are pretty much in the past.
Too much other good stuff out there to explore (IMHO)....with the Internet/XM/ etc available, it beats wasting valuable time shuffling through l/p's, cd's etc.

 

[Theo Simon]

I understand why people like the music they grew up with. I just don't understand their liking it to the exclusion of everything else. As in, why treat it as the only thing you can possibly listen to? I grew up on The Smiths and Joy Division but man, I can only listen to Unknown Pleasures so many times before I want another genre or just anything new that I haven't heard a million times, and I don't want to listen to all of the Joy Division clones that are out now..I'd just might as well listen to the real thing, and find something my brain isn't already expecting.

But we're having this discussion on an internet forum that, more than anything I've ever come across, is filled with people obsessed with the time period they grew up in. This places is extremely nostalgic in its taste for nearly everything.

Yes, it has always amused me that people my age are still listening to the same stuff. The Stones are still playing, but who on earth would go see them if they were a new act?

By 1974, a whole lot of variety had come into popular music, and I started discovering groups like Tangerine Dream and Horslips, for instance. As Horslips got farther away from their roots, I lost interest.

 

[shacky]

I just don't understand their liking it to the exclusion of everything else. As in, why treat it as the only thing you can possibly listen to?

Who said anything about exclusiveness :scratch2:

I still love rock from 60's and 70's but I also love Jazz, New Age, Classical, and the better current Pop like Norah Jones.

One can have a broad palette and still love what they grew up with.

 

[Theo Simon]

Who said anything about exclusiveness :scratch2:

I still love rock from 60's and 70's but I also love Jazz, New Age, Classical, and the better current Pop like Norah Jones.

One can have a broad palette and still love what they grew up with.

Just because it was around when one was young, doesn't mean one has to like it. As I said, I hated most of the music of my youth, from Leader of the Pack to Hotel California......

Simon and Garfunkel, and the Beatles from 1965-1967 was about all I liked (and a couple of Jefferson Airplane tunes). I discovered Italian prog in 1972 or so, and still love that stuff..

In the early 70s I was listening to Pentangle, Lindisfarne, Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention, Horslips, Tangerine Dream, that kind of stuff.

 

[JohnVF]

Who said anything about exclusiveness :scratch2:

I still love rock from 60's and 70's but I also love Jazz, New Age, Classical, and the better current Pop like Norah Jones.

One can have a broad palette and still love what they grew up with.

I'm talking about the specific theme of this thread. Which is basically "Why isn't the type of music that I grew up with still packing stadiums?" Of course you can love what you grew up with and love something else, but there's many who don't display that trait. I just don't understand why. If you love music, branch out. It doesn't make the old stuff go away.

 

[automojo]

I agree.
One doesn't have to define his or herself by the popular music when they grew up.
Personally I like most Types of music, rock, DIY, bluegrass/blues, classical...etc-whatever, and can appreciate it, but I don't prefer all of it, especially if it's a mailed in performance, or just plain bad.
For example I can appreciate the Eagles, but never bought a single L/P. Just didn't prefer their brand of music.
I have all the Zep L/p's, but have't listened to one in years-they grew thin for me after a few years as their brand of blues is clearly a matter of taste, interesting, but a matter of taste- and I grew out of it for what ever reason (the Stones early blues/rockabilly was more my styles anyway).
The problem I have with the Stones now is that it's totally mailed in IMHO-same with the Who.
The energy and "realitiveness" (if you will) they had years ago is gone, and there is little there for me now.
The Stones manage to have a least one or 2 catchy tunes in there last releases, but they have little life.
Sure, business wise they are in the tops, but the quality of the music finally died in the early 80's IMHO.
Music/bands is all a matter of taste anyway, but it's hard to judge IMHO the quality (or even relevance) of a band by weather it sells out a ball field or mega stadium. I think we are moving away from that Woodstock based standard hopefully.
Bands that are more interested in producing quality/interesting music then simply marketing a product.....to sell to the masses of "stadium minds" (Mike Watt), or simply rest on their past laurels...
Rock n' Roll, and it's current relevance IMHO has little to do with selling out large venues...look at it's roots.
You really have to look as music as a form of discipline, and how it intertwines with in itself, and evolves. All good things IMHO.
Personally I think Rock n' Roll is alive and well in many styles of music, and doing just fine.