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Is Rock and Roll Dead???

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automojo said:
My feelings exactly:thmbsp:
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But the truth is far more complex. Rock started out as a reaction to the 'stuff' that paraded itself as popular music of the 50s, the Peggy Lee, Perry Como, Doris Day, Dennis Day, Pat Boone kind of schmaltz. Look at the hits of 1955:

Johnny Ace - Pledging My Love - 03-55 - Duke
The Ames Brothers - My Bonnie Lassie - 10-55 - RCA
Les Baxter & His Orchestra - Unchained Melody - 04-55 - Capitol
Les Baxter & His Orchestra - Watch The Town And Tell The People - 08-55 - Capitol
Boyd Bennett & His Rockets - Seventeen - 08-55 - King
Chuck Berry - Maybelline - 08-55 - Chess
Archie Bleyer - The Naughty Lady Of Shady Lane - 01-55 - Cadence
Pat Boone - Two Hearts - 05-55 - Dot
Pat Boone - Ain't That A Shame - 07-55 - Dot
Pat Boone - At My Front Door (Crazy Little Mama) - 11-55 -Dot
David Carroll - Melody Of Love - 02-55
The Cheers - Black Denim Trousers - 10-55 - Capitol
Don Cherry - Band Of Gold - 12-55 - Columbia
Nat 'King' Cole - Darling Je Vous Aime Beaucoup - 03-55 - Capitol
Nat 'King' Cole - A Blossom Fell/If I May - 05-55 - Capitol
Nat 'King' Cole - Forgive My Heart - 11-55 - Capitol
Perry Como - Ko Ko Mo (I Love You So) - 02-55 - RCA
Perry Como - Tina Marie - 09-55 - RCA
Don Cornell - The Bible Tells Me So - 09-55 - Coral
The Cowboy Church Sunday School - Open Up Your Heart (And Let The Sunshine In) - 02-55 - Decca
The Crew-Cuts - Ko Ko Mo (I Love You So) - 02-55 - Mercury
The Crew-Cuts - Earth Angel - 02-55 - Mercury
The Crew-Cuts - Don't Be Angry - 05-55 - Mercury
The Crew-Cuts - A Story Untold - 07-55 - Mercury
The Crew -Cuts - Gum Drop - 09-55 - Mercury
Alan Dale - Sweet And Gentle - 07-55 - Coral
Sammy Davis Jr. - Love Me Or Leave Me - 06-55 - Decca
Sammy Davis Jr. - Something's Gotta Give - 06-55 - Decca
Doris Day - I'll Never Stop Loving You - 08-55 - Columbia
The DeJohn Sisters - (My Baby Don't Love Me) No More - 01-55 - Epic
Johnny Desmond - Play Me Hearts And Flowers (I Wanna Cry) - 04-55 - Coral
Johnny Desmond - The Yellow Rose Of Texas - 08-55 - Coral
Rusty Draper - The Shifting, Whispering Sands - 10-55 - Mercury
The Dream Weavers - It's Almost Tomorrow - 11-55 - Decca
Eddie Fisher - Heart - 06-55 - RCA
Eddie Fisher - Song Of The Dreamer - 09-55 - RCA
The Fontane Sisters - Seventeen - 09-55 - Dot
The Fontane Sisters - Daddy-O - 12-55 - Dot
Tennessee Ernie Ford - Ballad Of Davy Crockett - 03-55 - Capitol
Tennessee Ernie Ford - Sixteen Tons - 11-55 - Capitol
The Four Aces - Melody Of Love - 02-55 - Decca
The Four Aces - Love Is A Many-Splendored Thing - 09-55 -Decca
The Four Lads - Moments To Remember - 09-55 - Columbia
Georgia Gibbs - Tweedle Dee - 02-55 - Mercury
Georgia Gibbs - Dance With Me Henry (Wallflower) - 04-55 - Mercury
Barry Gordon - Nuttin' For Christmas - 12-55 - MGM
Gogi Grant - Suddenly There's A Valley - 10-55 - Era
Bill Haley & His Comets - Rock Around The Clock - 05-55 - Decca
Roy Hamilton - Unchained Melody - 05-55 - Epic
Bill Hayes - The Ballad Of Davy Crockett - 03-55 - Cadence
Al Hibbler - Unchained Melody - 04-55 - Decca
Al Hibbler - He - 10-55 - Decca
The Hilltoppers - Only You (And You Alone) - 12-55 - Dot
Joni James - How Important Can It Be? - 03-55 - MGM
Julius LaRosa - Domani (Tomorrow) - 08-55 - Cadence
Giselle Mackenzie - Hard To Get - 07-55 - X
Johnny Maddox - The Crazy Otto (Medley) - 02-55 - Dot
Dean Martin - Memories Are Made Of This - 12-55 - Capitol
The McGuire Sisters - Sincerely - 01-55 - Coral
The McGuire Sisters - Something's Gotta Give - 06-55 - Coral
The McGuire Sisters - He - 11-55 - Coral
Chuck Miller - The House Of Blue Lights - 07-55 - Mercury
Mitch Miller & His Orchestra - The Yellow Rose Of Texas - 08-55 - Columbia
Art Mooney & His Orchestra - Honey-Babe - 05-55 - MGM
Jaye P. Morgan - The Longest Walk - 09-55 - RCA
Fess Parker - Ballad Of Davy Crockett - 03-55 - Columbia
Les Paul & Mary Ford - Hummingbird - 07-55 - Capitol
The Penguins - Earth Angel (Will You Be Mine) - 01-55 - Dootone
The Platters - Only You - 10-55 - Mercury
The Platters - The Great Pretender - 12-55 - Mercury
Perez Prado - Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White - 03-55 - RCA
Frank Sinatra - Learnin' The Blues - 06-55 - Capitol
Frank Sinatra - Love And Marriage - 11-55 - Capitol
Somethin' Smith & The Redheads - It's A Sin To Tell A Lie - 06-55 - Epic
Gale Storm - I Hear You Knocking - 10-55 - Dot
Caterina Valente - The Breeze And I - 04-55 - Decca
Sarah Vaughan - Whatever Lola Wants - 05-55 - Mercury
Billy Vaughn - Melody Of Love - 01-55 - Dot
Billy Vaughn - The Shifting, Whispering Sands (Pts- 1 & 2) - 10-55 - Dot
Roger Williams - Autumn Leaves - 09-55 - Kapp

It's enough to make one ill! Most of it long forgotten or deservedly buried. It was this stuff that left the kids comatose, and they wanted something more exciting (and I don't blame them!). Now, when 'rock' is the 'standard' music, what is there to rebel against? Rock has lost its raison d'etre. It is merely a mechanical thing, repetitive, going through the motions. Nobody cares anymore. It's just 'there'. In fact, it would be national news if some 10 year old girl were to declare that she hates rock music and likes Beethoven records!
 
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Rock n roll is dead, because the Stones aged out around 1980 and there are few younger bands that want to go out and play before 80,00 people at the Meadowlands?

The Clash were more exciting (and excited) than the Stones ever were in NYC. Likewise, the Raybeats and Love Tractor delivered more excitement on tour than did REO Speedwagon of the same year, in concert.

Rock n roll is a state of being, an almost punkish we can't afford this months' rent but we are here to party attitude, that is nonexistant in any arena tour of note. It is fed, nurtured, and channelled in sweaty crowded dive bars, dance clubs, and floosy joints, and is not about how many millions get fed into a ten, twenty or thirty year existing band's coffers.

Rock n roll is fine and healthy, it is just that many folks here have aged out and lost their tenuous connection for where to go somewhere along the line. As a social media shared by a majority of teens and college aged kids, it has mutated drastically, but as an actual existing beast, RNR is still reaching for the sky and tearing up the ground. Some folks just don't know where to look for proof, and want to measure its existance with a warped yardstick.
 
sheltie dave said:
Rock n roll is dead, because the Stones aged out around 1980 and there are few younger bands that want to go out and play before 80,00 people at the Meadowlands?

The Clash were more exciting (and excited) than the Stones ever were in NYC. Likewise, the Raybeats and Love Tractor delivered more excitement on tour than did REO Speedwagon of the same year, in concert.

Rock n roll is a state of being, an almost punkish we can't afford this months' rent but we are here to party attitude, that is nonexistant in any arena tour of note. It is fed, nurtured, and channelled in sweaty crowded dive bars, dance clubs, and floosy joints, and is not about how many millions get fed into a ten, twenty or thirty year existing band's coffers.

Rock n roll is fine and healthy, it is just that many folks here have aged out and lost their tenuous connection for where to go somewhere along the line. As a social media shared by a majority of teens and college aged kids, it has mutated drastically, but as an actual existing beast, RNR is still reaching for the sky and tearing up the ground. Some folks just don't know where to look for proof, and want to measure its existance with a warped yardstick.
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You have completely lost me. Did you read my post, above? Rock n roll was born in the 50s and died long, long, long ago. What you call rock n roll today is just a bunch of guys screaming and jumping around with their guitar amps turned up to 11. It's actually embarrassing to see. Watch Bill Haley and the Comets, to see what rock n roll was originally (not saying I liked them myself, just trying to show you something).

http://youtu.be/F5fsqYctXgM

Most of all, it was something you could dance to.
 
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Theo Simon said:
You have completely lost me. Did you read my post, above? Rock n roll was born in the 50s and died long, long, long ago. What you call rock n roll today is just a bunch of guys screaming and jumping around with their guitar amps turned up to 11. It's actually embarrassing to see. Watch Bill Haley and the Comets, to see what rock n roll was originally (not saying I liked them myself, just trying to show you something).

http://youtu.be/F5fsqYctXgM

Most of all, it was something you could dance to.
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If you don't get what he just said... Then everything you've said about rock-n-roll in this thread is irrelevant. Rock and roll is indeed a state of mind. You obviously don't have it or have any idea of what it really is to those who love it.
 
elgato8905 said:
If you don't get what he just said... Then everything you've said about rock-n-roll in this thread is irrelevant. Rock and roll is indeed a state of mind. You obviously don't have it or have any idea of what it really is to those who love it.
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I know well what it is, and it died long, long ago.

One could argue that the Beatles killed it by transcending it. I think it was dead already by 1967. Sgt Pepper did it.
 
elgato8905 said:
Sorry but no.
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Rock n roll died about 1967. The Beatles done it! Don't confuse rock n roll with 'product'.

Compare She Loves You (Yeah Yeah Yeah) or Twist and Shout or Under My Thumb with anything produced since and you will understand what I mean.
 
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Theo Simon said:
Well, It was coughing up blood in 1967.

Rock n roll finally died around 1971, when Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, and Jim Morrison had all died.
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So there were only four rock and roll artists, and since they all died by 1971, that's when rock and roll died?

Also, I thought you previously said Sgt. Pepper's killed it?
 
steelglam said:
So there were only four rock and roll artists, and since they all died by 1971, that's when rock and roll died?

Also, I thought you previously said Sgt. Pepper's killed it?
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It was on life support and coughing up blood...

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Rock n roll:

http://youtu.be/cG6n3Z7qwVs

http://youtu.be/z3-OaNevkfg

http://youtu.be/TqL_pinZVp8

http://youtu.be/8yRdDnrB5kM

And actually Janis Joplin was more of a Blues artist.

The Beatles songs were really not ones you could dance to. That was the beginning of the end.

Off the top of my head I can hardly think of a single (original) Beatles song that lends itself to dancing. That's why I say they more or less killed it.

True rock n roll is dance music, as the clips above show.

http://youtu.be/BOuu88OwdK8
 
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Theo Simon said:
But the truth is far more complex. Rock started out as a reaction to the 'stuff' that paraded itself as popular music of the 50s, the Peggy Lee, Perry Como, Doris Day, Dennis Day, Pat Boone kind of schmaltz. Look at the hits of 1955:
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It's enough to make one ill! Most of it long forgotten or deservedly buried.
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A list of hits from any year will reveal exactly the same thing - the hits are almost always the most forgetable of music. There was plenty of outstanding pop music being recorded in 1955, including some of Sinatra's groundbreaking albums for Capitol.

BTW, I believe that's the first time I've ever seen Peggy Lee and schmaltz used in the same sentence. Do your homework; she was right up there with Sarah and Ella among the top tier jazz/pop vocalists.
 
chicks said:
A list of hits from any year will reveal exactly the same thing - the hits are almost always the most forgetable of music. There was plenty of outstanding pop music being recorded in 1955, including some of Sinatra's groundbreaking albums for Capitol.

BTW, I believe that's the first time I've ever seen Peggy Lee and schmaltz used in the same sentence. Do your homework; she was right up there with Sarah and Ella among the top tier jazz/pop vocalists.
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Ugh. I was born in 1949. I remember this stuff. My family got a TV right around 1954, and I remember seeing these acts on various shows (whose names I forget).

I never liked it, but what did I know, I was 5-6 years old. Never cared for Sinatra either, but my dad did buy me some 45s of Perry Como and Ricky Nelson.

I remember when rock n roll came out. I did like the slow R&B songs by black artists. Can't recall any right off the top of my head though. They were on the radio.
 
Theo Simon said:
It was on life support and coughing up blood...

:banana:

Rock n roll:

http://youtu.be/cG6n3Z7qwVs

http://youtu.be/z3-OaNevkfg

http://youtu.be/TqL_pinZVp8

http://youtu.be/8yRdDnrB5kM

And actually Janis Joplin was more of a Blues artist.

The Beatles songs were really not ones you could dance to. That was the beginning of the end.

Off the top of my head I can hardly think of a single (original) Beatles song that lends itself to dancing. That's why I say they more or less killed it.

True rock n roll is dance music, as the clips above show.

http://youtu.be/BOuu88OwdK8
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You're changing your story with every post. First, it was Sgt. Pepper's that killed it. Then it was Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Janis Joplin, etc. dying that killed it. Now you're saying Janis Jopin wasn't rock and roll. And now you're also saying the Beatles' original material killed rock n' roll (meaning 1963).

This is exhausting. I knew I shouldn't have bit on the argument. :sigh:
 
JohnVF said:
And you listed...the Doors? Janis Joplin? You're contradicting yourself.

You can dance to punk.
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Yep, I would have to say it was the end.

But what I mean is the end of an era. The Beatles transformed rock n roll from dance music to listening music. The psychedelic stage did that. The Doors, Procul Harem, etc finished the job. I can't see anyone dancing to A Whiter Shade of Pale the way that they could to Rock Around the Clock from just 10 years before.

The Mammas and the Pappas were not really rock artists, but pop artists. Same with Simon and Garfunkel. Take a look at the music of 1970 and show me anything that even remotely resembles Rock Around the Clock.
 
Theo Simon said:
Yep, I would have to say it was the end.

But what I mean is the end of an era. The Beatles transformed rock n roll from dance music to listening music. The psychedelic stage did that. The Doors, Procul Harem, etc finished the job. I can't see anyone dancing to A Whiter Shade of Pale the way that they could to Rock Around the Clock from just 10 years before.

The Mommas and the Pappas were not really rock artists, but pop artists. Same with Simon and Garfunkel.
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You literally just said rock and roll was dance music. Now you're saying it became listening music. Meaning it's still rock and roll, only now listening music.

It's very difficult to carry on a conversation with someone that changes their story and argument with each post.

And btw, the Beatles weren't even the first band to play psychedelic music.
 
steelglam said:
You literally just said rock and roll was dance music. Now you're saying it became listening music. Meaning it's still rock and roll, only now listening music.

It's very difficult to carry on a conversation with someone that changes their story and argument with each post.

And btw, the Beatles weren't even the first band to play psychedelic music.
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Good point. I should say that the Beatles changed what people called rock music. It really wasn't rock n roll any more. That's why I said they killed it. When I said 'the psychedelic stage' I was not referring specifically to the Beatles.

The Beatles transformed pop music from rock n roll to something more complex and not for dancing. Their compositions were different from the standards (such as Roll Over Beethoven) they stated out playing in 62 and 63. No two styles could be more different than Roll Over Beethoven and Strawberry Fields Forever. To call them both rock n roll is impossible. ead the liner notes on those old Beatles albums; the notes speak of ballads, etc.
 
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