Is it possible and how could you identify a counterfeit sealed Led Zeppelin 2 album?
Is there any history of this?
Here are some pics.
Thanks,
Ed
Is there any history of this?
Here are some pics.
Thanks,
Ed
Led Zeppelin 2 Counterfeit?
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KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
I see period correct on sale price sticker, the tracklisting sticker, and hype sticker. No blurry cover artwork or stickers, looks genuine and period correct to my eye.
polypetalous
Super Member
Outta curiosity..,
What makes you think it’s counterfeit?
From pics I woulda guessed it legit.
Ben
What makes you think it’s counterfeit?
From pics I woulda guessed it legit.
Ben
45rpmspinner
Super Member
I presume you're asking the question because you've already read some of the many posts/articles on the subject of fake hype stickers.
Imo, if you bought the record from one of the dealers on Ebay who routinely have sealed copies plastered with hype stickers, then yes, I'd say it's most likely a re-seal and the stickers were added. Truth is, hype stickers weren't hugely common back in the day, and for a dealer to consistently have sealed copies covered with them is very unlikely.
This kind of thing has actually been going on for many years, just not as blatantly as it is now.
I'm sure, somewhere, it's still possible to buy replica stickers to cover up the bananas on your "peeled" Velvet Underground albums.
Imo, if you bought the record from one of the dealers on Ebay who routinely have sealed copies plastered with hype stickers, then yes, I'd say it's most likely a re-seal and the stickers were added. Truth is, hype stickers weren't hugely common back in the day, and for a dealer to consistently have sealed copies covered with them is very unlikely.
This kind of thing has actually been going on for many years, just not as blatantly as it is now.
I'm sure, somewhere, it's still possible to buy replica stickers to cover up the bananas on your "peeled" Velvet Underground albums.
RunOutGroove
Addicted Member
I'm curious about much did you sold it for. Sounds like if you had it for years that it must be legit, but I guess that if someone paid some kind of huge premium for an old edition that was still sealed that they might be pretty wary of fakes. Personally, I don't really understand the whole fetish with certain editions of albums. If the album is pressed on anything but really thin, cheap vinyl and it sounds good, if the cover isn't too torn up, then I'm happy. Extra points for an older copy of something old that doesn't have a UPC code on it, but I still don't feel that this should automatically mean that the thing is worth twice as much. I'll never understand some folks' fetish for getting of perfect, holy grail copies of common albums. Why not spend the same money on more records that are more varied and expand your mind a bit with some new, unfamiliar sounds?
Doug G.
Lunatic Member
Did he give you a reason for thinking it's fake? It looks OK to me. It's just the later reissue with the later record number on it. My later reissue has the same stickers on it except for the local orange one.
The only iteration of the second album highly sought is the original pressing mastered by Robert Ludwig. My friend's original one was one of those and sounded much more dynamic than later versions.
EDIT: This is what I get by going from ancient memory. That is NOT the later catalog number. It is the original catalog number which does make it suspect as by the time of this reissue with the darker colored cover, it should have the later catalog number - SD 19127 on it. The origional cover was kind of textured and lighter in color. Or is that lighter and the pictures just make it look darker?
Doug
The only iteration of the second album highly sought is the original pressing mastered by Robert Ludwig. My friend's original one was one of those and sounded much more dynamic than later versions.
EDIT: This is what I get by going from ancient memory. That is NOT the later catalog number. It is the original catalog number which does make it suspect as by the time of this reissue with the darker colored cover, it should have the later catalog number - SD 19127 on it. The origional cover was kind of textured and lighter in color. Or is that lighter and the pictures just make it look darker?
Doug
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It is sealed which makes it a bit more dicey....absolutely not going to open it!
Here is his e mail....
“COUNTERFEIT COPY: BRAND NEW STICKERS ON SHRINKWRAP WITH NO AGING PATINA. DEAD GIVEAWAY IS THE SHINY NEW PHOTOSHOPPED SONG STICKER WITH FAKED AGING DOTS ON BACK COVER. ALSO, TWO UNEVEN BREATHER HOLES ON FRONT COVER. LOOKS HOT OFF THE PRESS. NOT AN AUTHENTIC 50+ YEAR OLD LP.”
funny thing, I got another album in the collection with the same sales sticker which is open and looks legit...
Here is his e mail....
“COUNTERFEIT COPY: BRAND NEW STICKERS ON SHRINKWRAP WITH NO AGING PATINA. DEAD GIVEAWAY IS THE SHINY NEW PHOTOSHOPPED SONG STICKER WITH FAKED AGING DOTS ON BACK COVER. ALSO, TWO UNEVEN BREATHER HOLES ON FRONT COVER. LOOKS HOT OFF THE PRESS. NOT AN AUTHENTIC 50+ YEAR OLD LP.”
funny thing, I got another album in the collection with the same sales sticker which is open and looks legit...
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Doug G.
Lunatic Member
I don't think his email means a thing. I have old records with stickers on them and they look just like yours. The gold stickers don't acquire a "patina" unless kept in a very damp environment and white stickers often get those spots from the adhesive getting old and showing through the paper.
However, the only way to really find out is to look at the runout matrix numbers. I don't know about other 1970's releases but the 1977 ones have "1977" in the runout.
Doug
However, the only way to really find out is to look at the runout matrix numbers. I don't know about other 1970's releases but the 1977 ones have "1977" in the runout.
Doug
I just found this info on “ Turn-Style”. The hype sticker on the front of the record, I am in the Boston area and I now believe the record is real.
from Wikipedia.....
Turn Style was a Brighton, Massachusetts-based discount department store chain that was founded by Harold Sparks who had open his first store in Lynn, Massachusetts in 1957.[1][3] This was the first discount department store that had opened in the state of Massachusetts and the second in New England following the opening of Topps which had just opened 7 months earlier in neighboring Connecticut. Other locations were quickly open in Massachusetts in Brighton (1958),[3][4][5] Lawrence (1960), and Medford (1961).[6]
Jewel acquired the Turn Style brand in 1961[7] and began rapidly expanding the chain. Sales for the 1961 year were listed as $14 million U.S. dollars with four stores, with headquarters in Brighton, Massachusetts.[8] At its peak, the chain operated throughout the Midwest, as well as in the Boston, Massachusetts area. Within three years of opening a store in Racine, Wisconsin, profits as measured on a ROI basis were the highest within Jewel Companies. Rapid expansion, the corporate decision to incorporate a catalog type store within its four walls, and an unrealistic divisive venture into the "Hypermarket" business, all caused profits to suffer.
The economy also caused Jewel to rethink its growth strategy and the decision was made to sell Turn Style in order to concentrate its growth within its core businesses, which were food stores and drugstores. In 1978, 19 out of 22 of the existing stores were sold to May Department Stores and converted to the Venture format.[9][10] Other stores were converted to large Osco Drug Stores, and some were closed entirely.
from Wikipedia.....
Turn Style was a Brighton, Massachusetts-based discount department store chain that was founded by Harold Sparks who had open his first store in Lynn, Massachusetts in 1957.[1][3] This was the first discount department store that had opened in the state of Massachusetts and the second in New England following the opening of Topps which had just opened 7 months earlier in neighboring Connecticut. Other locations were quickly open in Massachusetts in Brighton (1958),[3][4][5] Lawrence (1960), and Medford (1961).[6]
Jewel acquired the Turn Style brand in 1961[7] and began rapidly expanding the chain. Sales for the 1961 year were listed as $14 million U.S. dollars with four stores, with headquarters in Brighton, Massachusetts.[8] At its peak, the chain operated throughout the Midwest, as well as in the Boston, Massachusetts area. Within three years of opening a store in Racine, Wisconsin, profits as measured on a ROI basis were the highest within Jewel Companies. Rapid expansion, the corporate decision to incorporate a catalog type store within its four walls, and an unrealistic divisive venture into the "Hypermarket" business, all caused profits to suffer.
The economy also caused Jewel to rethink its growth strategy and the decision was made to sell Turn Style in order to concentrate its growth within its core businesses, which were food stores and drugstores. In 1978, 19 out of 22 of the existing stores were sold to May Department Stores and converted to the Venture format.[9][10] Other stores were converted to large Osco Drug Stores, and some were closed entirely.
the one you get back most certainly will be....
