Led Zeppelin 2 Counterfeit?

[KentTeffeteller]

Another tip. If the shrink has breathe holes, like this one is described to have, that is original shrink wrap. The reshrink sealed copies have no breathe holes. And also the shrink is of unequal thickness and application, sometimes covers get reshrinked with cutout holes under the shrinkwrap, and the shrinkwrap isn't cut. Or there is cover wear underneath, or other anomalies which indicate a record which isn't original shrinkwrap.

I recently saw a Robert Goulet LP which was still sealed with a Turnstyle price sticker and what appears to be genuine original shrink wrap which is undisturbed with breathe holes. I call this LP genuine. Nobody in their right mind is going to fake shrinkwrap on what is today a low value (as in this LP being $.99 mono) easy listening record which is in somewhat low demand. Records like this are very educational for helping to authenticate rare, more expensive and desirable collectibles. Some more thoughts. If said Robert Goulet LP is still in that bargain rack, I will buy it and take it home and leave it sealed.

 

[KentTeffeteller]

Did he give you a reason for thinking it's fake? It looks OK to me. It's just the later reissue with the later record number on it. My later reissue has the same stickers on it except for the local orange one.

The only iteration of the second album highly sought is the original pressing mastered by Robert Ludwig. My friend's original one was one of those and sounded much more dynamic than later versions.

EDIT: This is what I get by going from ancient memory. That is NOT the later catalog number. It is the original catalog number which does make it suspect as by the time of this reissue with the darker colored cover, it should have the later catalog number - SD 19127 on it. The origional cover was kind of textured and lighter in color. Or is that lighter and the pictures just make it look darker?

Doug

I have seen some copies with the 4 digit catalog number, with the darker colored cover. And this cover color is also likely a printing plant variation and or a less aged cover as some of these covers have faded a bit with age. Some pictures will darken the cover a bit. This could also be a middle era pressing which falls between the earliest pressing and a 1974 onward 5 digit catalog number later reissue in the newer Atlantic number series. Meaning something like 1971-1974, meaning still a large selling back catalog title. More food for thought, with my knowledge being shared. And the textured cover may well have been early pressings only, and discontinued soon thereafter. The real transition begins when the address on the bottom label changes from 1841 Broadway, and the "Atlantic Records, a division of Warner Communications, Inc with the 1970's W logo begins in usage. This was when the pop titles went from 4 digit usually 8000 series to 18000 series prefixes.

 

[Edroom]

I bought an old collection and this was in it.

 

[Edroom]

I got it back and thankfully it is in the same condition as I sent it. I sent it double boxed and wrapped in bubble wrap to protect the corners... got it back in a single box with no protection. I think the buyer just changed their mind and made up some crap to return it. I got screwed paying shipping both ways, eBay sucks but I guess it’s going back there again anyway....

 

[hugo454]

put that buyer on your blocked bidder list

 

[polypetalous]

Checked out your new auction, that’s a tough one...
I totally get why you have the “buy it now” or “best offer” style auction, but certainly is harder when you can’t 100% authenticate.
At that kinda value it’s going to get scrutinized to death...
Not sure if this is a case of “have to get a certain value outta it” or not but personally I’d be tempted to list it with the statement of “what I believed” the record is, the story of how I got it and why I think it’s what it is etc. but state that I wasn’t 100% sure... start the auction at $1 and let the market determine price/value.

i totally get the potential value here, but also recognize a real possibility of a giant headache.

either that or I’d reach our to a known record dealer (zep collector) and try to work a trade on a rare/coveted album I wanted.

Just my .02

Ben

 

[Hajidub]

Hate selling sealed albums, you never know the matrix/version info and whether it had a hard life in the sleeve and is scuffed or not, especially if the price is premium. Just open, verify and list as such in the description (even a video of the event helps).

 

[62vauxhall]

Not only not knowing pressing info but mabe even the wrong record inside.

The image is not my copy, just borrowed it to depict the album in question.

I found a sealed copy in an out of town use record shop for $2 so bought it as a curiosity. Assuming it was not very popular so likely not re-pressed at later times, I figured it was made in the late 1960's. When I got home I opened it and stuck it on the turntable. The first track began with early 20th century instrumental show tune music I thought was a pre-amble or intro. I waited and waited for the expected late 60's pop music to start but it didn't.

I stopped the record and read the label. It said "The Night they Raided Minski's".

So it made made consider that had I moved it on at sometime, as a sealed LP it would have been a completely bogus sale. Not that anyone would be attracted to a sealed copy of this particular album, but what if had had been something more desireble like a Led Zeppelin II with the completely wrong record inside?

I find it humorous that the wrong record can be inside it's jacket all these years.

Also in my possesion is a still sealed copy of The Dunwich Horror soundtrack. I don't intend on opening it but if I sold it I wonder if I would believe a buyer telling me afterward that the wrong record was inside?

 

[Mystic]

I am worried about what I am going to get back. I know eBay isn’t going to be on my side no matter what I get back.....

And there's the rub in all this .... selling what appears to be a perfectly legitimate (pardon me, folks) "vintage" LP in SS state and some yahoo barks foul and Ebay sides w/ another whiner afflicted w/ buyer's remorse. It's not whay I abandoned Ebay as a seller over a decade ago, but it reminds me that I'm glad I did.