Shure M91ED / Shure M95ED

[cocobeli]

Indeed I was referring to the brass diamond shaped portion of the assembly. Sorry for any confusion; let us shank that right now.

No, no pix until I can work out how to juggle the mess.

 

[Cylontymany]

Go Jico SAS and dont look back!

Even if the cart or channels go bad-getting another M91ED or M95ED on the bay without stylus are dirt cheap! So I wouldnt worry about it! I have both of them and mine still have there original styluses on them and sound great.

 

[taineasy]

I love both carts but slightly prefer the M95. There is one residing on my original model PL-570 right now.

I currently run 2 head shells (one having a Shure M95ED with Jico and the other with M91ED with mint OE shure track needle) on a Pioneer PL-518. I switch them out depending on what music I am playing. Neither is better than the other, just different. Speaker choice is important. Run the 95ed on speakers with frequency range of 25-27 hz to 25-30 k khz and the 91ED on those with less LF and HF extension (say 35-45 hz to 18-25k khz). I have found that playing music (using full extension speakers) with dominant bass material such as Marcus Miller or Stanley Clarke the 91ed tends to produce a less detailed bass (lots of it however!). I could see how many prefer the 91ed on speakers with a more limited frequency response as it can push it more to the extremes.

 

[NoTransistors]

The quality of a cartridge lies in the details and in the separation of each instrument.

 

[stereofisher]

The quality of a cartridge lies in the details and in the separation of each instrument.

How true. This is one of the first things I heard when I started in this long path of audio! With each upgrade whether it was a cartridge, turntable, amp/receiver, speakers. What may sound good to me, may not to someone else. My likes are Shure carts M55, M91ED, V15 type II and IV. My Audio Technica AT 11 is a little brighter in the.high end but sounds good. To me, and I stress me, the M95 and V15 type III are just ok. Our hobby is a lot of trial and error, taking a long time to get to where you want to be. One benefit of old age. Many years playing with stuff. Plus a little luck.

Have 3 systems. One is perfect, in the livingroom, the bedroom set is Ok with room for improvement. My shop set is the surprise system. It's main purpose was to test turntables for customers and my projects. A low budget concoction. Free speakers from the dump. Avid two ways up front with a mint pr of PSB Alphas on the rear. The Marantz 2252 sounds better in the basement than it did in the bedroom. Three Dual 1219s with Shure M91 ED, a Radio Shack Shure R6X, and an AT 11E. Concrete floor, cement block walls with an open ceiling. All above carts have a great deal of detail and separation. With that listening area it shouldn't sound that good. But it does. At some point, I need to try another V15 III and another M95.

Hope this may or not help. Have had that Pioneer. Great turntable! Good luck! My choice M91ED.

 

[marcmorin]

Concrete floor, cement block walls with an open ceiling. All above carts have a great deal of detail and separation. With that listening area it shouldn't sound that good. But it does. At some point, I need to try another V15 III and another M95.

Hope this may or not help. Have had that Pioneer. Great turntable! Good luck! My choice M91ED.

could be some of the reason, without having a ceiling sending it's first reflective wave out of phase with the first waves from the walls.

 

[NoTransistors]

This thread is kinda old and therefore I am certain that I am repeating myself.
I owned both the M91ED and M95ED when they were new. The M95ED ran rings around the M91ED. This plus my Bogen DB212 and I was in Hi-Fi heaven. Bless those little 6V6GT tubes.

 

[Bourbon]

I've got both, and I swap them out. I run the M91ED with a JICO SAS stylus. I run a HE stylus on the M95ED. The M91ED blows the M95 out of the water. The only catch is that the vinyl must be CLEAN. The JICO stylus picks up even the tiniest bit of static from dust.

 

[Hugo65]

Back in the early 1990's I bought a couple of mexican N91ED's and could never get any decent sound from them. Even dead wax sounded sibillant with that piece of c. My then 4-year-old daughter broke one of them and the other one lost its tip shortly after. Then I bought a Thorens TD 125 MkII and it came with an M95HE with a cracked cantilever and it lasted half a song, but I kinda liked what I heard. So I put on a NOS V15 IV I had in a drawer and kept the M95HE. About a decade and a half later, I decided to give the M95 a try. So I ordered a Jico N95HE from LPG and an N95ED from...well..."ED" Saunders (pun intended), and was finally able to hear an M95 in action. I didn't like the Jico HE much, as it lacked the definition of a genuine Shure Hyperelliptical, such as that of the VN45HE I'd been using, but I liked the EVG (!!!) I received from the lady at E.S.. About two years ago I was able to lay my paws on a NOS M95HE, and decided it was the most pleasant (to my damaged ears) cartridge I'd ever heard and it remains my favourite. Mind you, I've got a DL301MkII, a V15III -MR (sounds too lean to my ears), a VN45HE SAS, and the M95HE is the one I like best. I also have a NOS M91ED on my Dual 1235 and I love it, especially for recording music onto cassettes to listen to in the old Toyota's tape deck.

 

[bobins08]

How true. This is one of the first things I heard when I started in this long path of audio! With each upgrade whether it was a cartridge, turntable, amp/receiver, speakers. What may sound good to me, may not to someone else. My likes are Shure carts M55, M91ED, V15 type II and IV. My Audio Technica AT 11 is a little brighter in the.high end but sounds good. To me, and I stress me, the M95 and V15 type III are just ok. Our hobby is a lot of trial and error, taking a long time to get to where you want to be. One benefit of old age. Many years playing with stuff. Plus a little luck.

Have 3 systems. One is perfect, in the livingroom, the bedroom set is Ok with room for improvement. My shop set is the surprise system. It's main purpose was to test turntables for customers and my projects. A low budget concoction. Free speakers from the dump. Avid two ways up front with a mint pr of PSB Alphas on the rear. The Marantz 2252 sounds better in the basement than it did in the bedroom. Three Dual 1219s with Shure M91 ED, a Radio Shack Shure R6X, and an AT 11E. Concrete floor, cement block walls with an open ceiling. All above carts have a great deal of detail and separation. With that listening area it shouldn't sound that good. But it does. At some point, I need to try another V15 III and another M95.

Hope this may or not help. Have had that Pioneer. Great turntable! Good luck! My choice M91ED.

Funny how we are all so different in how we hear and interpret. To me its the stylus tip that contributes greatly to details and separation. Case in point is he Ortofon OM Series, same cartridge but more expensive stylus and more exotic tip shapes as you move up the chain. I think the stylus was the difference between the M91ED and M95ED back in the day. I get confused on this and how the V15-II ties in.

My favorite in the Shure line was the V15-III on a low mass SME 3009 (improved) arm. I have tried this with the stock stylus and with the original Jico SAS. The Jico has some of the Shure goodness but it is different. Sometimes I favor one over the other and I have no definitive favorite between the two.

 

[Balifly]

In case anyone is interested, here is a listing for an "old price" after market replacement/upgrade HE- hyper elliptical stylus " Shure M 91 ED" cartridge.

Hope the listing is still valid.
https://lptunes.com/products/hyperelliptical-replacement-for-shure-n-91ed-n91ed-stylus

 

[malden]

Back in the early 1990's I bought a couple of mexican N91ED's and could never get any decent sound from them. Even dead wax sounded sibillant with that piece of c. My then 4-year-old daughter broke one of them and the other one lost its tip shortly after. Then I bought a Thorens TD 125 MkII and it came with an M95HE with a cracked cantilever and it lasted half a song, but I kinda liked what I heard. So I put on a NOS V15 IV I had in a drawer and kept the M95HE. About a decade and a half later, I decided to give the M95 a try. So I ordered a Jico N95HE from LPG and an N95ED from...well..."ED" Saunders (pun intended), and was finally able to hear an M95 in action. I didn't like the Jico HE much, as it lacked the definition of a genuine Shure Hyperelliptical, such as that of the VN45HE I'd been using, but I liked the EVG (!!!) I received from the lady at E.S.. About two years ago I was able to lay my paws on a NOS M95HE, and decided it was the most pleasant (to my damaged ears) cartridge I'd ever heard and it remains my favourite. Mind you, I've got a DL301MkII, a V15III -MR (sounds too lean to my ears), a VN45HE SAS, and the M95HE is the one I like best. I also have a NOS M91ED on my Dual 1235 and I love it, especially for recording music onto cassettes to listen to in the old Toyota's tape deck.

I bought out the remaining stock of four Made In Mexico SHURE N91ED's from a local electronics shop. Comparing them to the original Made In USA "nude" tipped SHURE N91ED, I found them both to be excellent, with the Mexico made version slightly "warmer".

Of the M95 styli I have which are all original Made In USA SHURE (N95HE, N95ED , N95EJ, N95G) I use the "EJ" version the most simply because of the stiffer suspension which seems to sound better in my Thorens TD 160.

As for EVG, Ed Saunders and the like, I purchased one of each of their styli for my SHURE V15 Type lll and none of them were as good as the original SHURE VN3E. The only after-market stylus I have that is as good as the original is the JICO VN3E.

The JICO version of the VN3E is slightly more "forward" sounding than the original which is slightly laid back. I attribute this to the age of the original which is from the 1970's and probably has a slightly compromised suspension and weaker magnet. It sound excellent none the less.