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What do YOU consider to be the best TT ever built??

Wow. Why does every thread end up in a pissing contest of my gear sounds better than yours or my opinion is superior to yours.

The OP asked, "Starting to get into vinyl and I was just thinking, who does everyone on AK consider to be the best manufacture of turntables be it design or sound!!" What can there be other than different AK members stating their very different opinions?

There are different sonic attributes that people listen for, which led to the whole flat earth/round earth debates some years ago. Flat earthers were more concerned with how adept a system or piece of equipment was at communicating things like melody, rhythm, tempo, and dynamics (i.e., the elements you'd find discussed in most textbooks on the subject of music), as opposed to some list of audiophile characteristics. Martin Colloms of Stereophile contrasted what had become common hifi goals with attributes more concerned with musical communication, "It's ironic that you can have an extended bandwidth, or high sound levels, or great stereo imaging, or very low coloration, or powerful, low-distortion bass, or several worthy combinations of these, yet rarely can you obtain these with a coherent, focused combination of natural dynamics, pace, and rhythm. In high-end audio, we are often too busy examining the texture of the bark to see what kind of forest we are walking in."
Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/pace-rhythm-dynamics-page-3#YsMQ2qiLyCHSy8Xk.99

When I first got interested in higher end audio in the early 1980's, Linn was telling potential customers to "forget hi-fi jargon like bass and treble, stereo image, wow, flutter, and harmonic distortion" when comparing equipment, and to instead ask themselves questions of a musical nature, such as do the musicians seem to be playing together; can you pick out and follow without difficulty the bassline or any other musical part; how easy is it to sing along with the melody; are you responding to the music, such as by tapping in time. Linn wasn't and isn't the only company making musically satisfying equipment, but I have long appreciated their approach to judging a hifi system, and their LP12 continues to be one of the most musically involving source components I've heard.

Another term associated with flat earthers was Pace, Rhythm, and Timing--PRaT--and it remains the easiest way for me to describe the differences I hear among different turntables. A few years ago, I borrowed a Rega from a local dealer to compare with the LP12 and Well Tempered Record Player that I already owned. The Rega was exceptionally good with rhythm, a bit worse in pace, and was relatively weak in timing; the WTRP was exceptional in presentation of pace, decent with rhythm, and also had a relative weakness in timing; my LP12 was not as good as either the Rega or the WTRP in their particular areas of strength, but did all three attributes fairly well. I also preferred the LP12's design in terms of how easy it was to play and enjoy records. For example, compared with the WTRP, I preferred the Linn for having a cueing lever and hinged dust cover, and its less fussy setup of cartridges (no azimuth adjustment to bother with, dial-in tracking force and anti-skate, adjusting the VTA doesn't risk gross changes in overhang, etc.).
 
Sorry, a Stereophile review does not a definitive answer give, but thanks for the underlining, makes reading the difficult bits so much easier :).

I take it you haven't heard one, 13 ?

That would be -5. :thumbsup:

Then again, back in the day Linn was more focused on marketing than engineering. :D
 
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Given the title of the thread, I would expect a great deal of "mine is better than yours." Did expect more belt drive vs direct drive arguments. I have heard so very few tables in widely different systems and room accoustics, would have to agree with many of ateal's comments. Never been to an audio show. But the bashing of certain brands does not bother me. Everonehas just as valuable an opinion.
 
" Did expect more belt drive vs direct drive arguments.

For sure, and I expected more of theTechnics crowd to start the best design and table BS, It seems the Linn crowd decided to take this poison in this thread, but not you.

I'm of the opinion that just like the drive mechanism there is "NO BEST" table, and is why I never pointed to a best table in this thread. How ever if some want to say a table is best and or fallacies they should back it up with facts. Plenty has been written where Linn is clearly not the best and has many short comings within that price bracket. Then we have the fact there is tables that a far better and cost 10 times that price point.
 
This set up would cost more than a house but is it worth it????? Only you can decide.


I should point out that the dynamics and resolution were amazing however I asked myself if I could listen to this set up for a prolonged period of time and the answer was no.
 
That would be -5. :thumbsup:

Then again, back in the day Linn was more focused on marketing than engineering. :D
I had to unblock my ignored members to see who your talking to, I blocked them because of their know it all negativity, all the while they operate under anonymity. I see now with that comment they must have been on another sites hiding under another name and are here basically trying to troll me.

grottyash you happen to be on my ignore list and have been for over a year. Your not worth responding to that's why I did it. So now that you know this (clearly) quoting me obsessively like you do, will only so how much you are trolling me.
 
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I should point out that the dynamics and resolution were amazing however I asked myself if I could listen to this set up for a prolonged period of time and the answer was no.

Ok but it looks like you had a great day in the ALL audio world..:)
 
That would be -5. :thumbsup:

Then again, back in the day Linn was more focused on marketing than engineering. :D
Not quite so. The bearing they produced for the Ariston was also what made the LP12, and there were few companies who could have made it to those tolerances. Don't forget, they were a serious engineering company to begin with. The redoubtable Tiefenbrun added the marketing, which has latterly tarnished the LP12 image.
 
Per Wiki:

Linn was founded by Ivor Tiefenbrun to produce the Sondek LP12 turntable. The company's logo is the simple geometric representation of a stylus tip on a record surface.

Hamish Robertson designed the Ariston RD11 in 1971 with Castle Precision Engineering Ltd machining many of the parts. Robertson left Ariston, which had been taken over by Dunlop Westayr Ltd and reorganised as Ariston Audio Ltd. In February 1973 Linn Products Ltd. was formed to sell turntables made by Castle Precision Engineering. This was officially announced in an advertisement in Hi-Fi News & Record Review, with the following text: "The turntable previously available under the name Ariston RD11 is now available under the name Linn LP12."

The company's philosophy is as controversial as its founder, who is known for his believing in only two ways of doing things – the Linn way and the wrong way. Whilst many in the industry speak of them in strictly reverential terms, notable critic Ken Kessler accuses the company (with a touch of hyperbole) of being doctrinaire, prone to "propaganda, brainwashing, historical revisionism and other ways of interpreting reality". As such, and because Linn supposedly design their products within the context of an all-Linn system, they try to ensure that all the variables are covered in a "proper demonstration".[

It would appear Linn was started by Ivor to sell a turntable manufactured by another company. It would also appear that the LP12 and RD11 were the same table. In other words, Ivor started Linn to market and sell Hamish Robertson's design. So it stands to reason Linn was more focused on marketing than engineering. The key word here is more which doesn't mean solely.
 
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Again, not quite. Castle precision is Linn, and they effectively did the engineering for Ariston. They also hold the patents.
 
That's not quite what Wiki says. How about giving us some evidence to support what has so far been just your take on things. Or are you one of the "brainwashed" Kessler referenced? :yikes: :biggrin:
 
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That's not quite what Wiki says. How about giving us some evidence to support what has so far been just your take on things. Or are you one of the "brainwashed" Kessler referenced? :yikes: :biggrin:
No, it's widely known that Castle Precision became, or a part of it did, Linn. I don't even understand why you are querying this, there's heaps of information on the web that attests to this, plus, of course, the reality. No one disputes that Castle Precision made the bearing for Ariston, they were one of the few that could, nor that they became Linn to produce the LP 12. As to the bearing, check with the relevant UK govt departments re the patents. The case, at least in hifi circles, is well known.
 

I personally found that the super detailed resolution coming from "that particular system" would become fatiguing to me after a while. Although the bass went very very low and was solid and powerful, the high end resolution was too much for me. It was however very very impressive hence the reason I decided to take the video.
 
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