Morgan D
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Oh, I have it all. I inherited Lps Cds RTOR and cassette. I know that digital is easier ,but I have all this old media and it is fun!! Wait a minute. You like SCOTT stuff and you only stream?
No smart phone.
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SWL3600
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LOL.....yeah. Well, I've got a lot of gear but the Scott tube integrateds are my favorites. I've come so close over the last few years to pick up a turntable here and there but couldn't go through with starting over again. My digital stuff sounds so damn good it was an easy decision.
SWL3600
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Cool. I just looked and you also have the the same birthday as yours truly. Happy birthday (three weeks early).
Morgan D
Super Member
A kindred spirit ! What SCOTT device? Yes digital is so much easier. But I have Burl Ives on 78's !!
SWL3600
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I have three fully restored 222c's.....and I loaded up on NOS tubes to last me the rest of my life (especially 7189's).
SWL3600
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Burl Ives knows how to party.
swechsler
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OK, let's see if this we can get this to work:
- Download 7zip
- Run it, and accept all the defaults. Wait until it says something like "7zip for Windows installed"
- Find the file you downloaded from SMSL. It should either be in your downloads folder or on the desktop. If you can't find it, press Control-J in the browser to bring up your recently downloaded files. Under the SMSL file (202007091525197237), click "Show in folder".
- Right click on the file name (202007091525197237). You should have a menu choice "7-zip". Hover your mouse over that and it should bring up a submenu. Choose "Extract here" and left click
- In your list of files, you should now see a new subfolder called 202007091525197237. Double click that. Then double click M100 driver
- Double click setup (or setup.exe). This is as far as I can take you since I don't have this DAC.
Morgan D
Super Member
Oh , you mean I have to down load 7zip in addition to the SMSL software? I would be more than willing to buy a better dac that will work with windows 7. Let me fire up this Samsung and see which windows it is. I have spent a good deal of time and money on speakers and other HiFi goodies so I shouldn't cheap out on a DAC. At least 150 hundees or so. It's a windows 7 home premium. Will modern dacs work with windows 7?
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I seriously doubt modern DAC developers are building code that’s backwards compatible with Win7.
If you want to stream music you may need to step out of your comfort zone and get into a current PC or tablet/smartphone situation.
Morgan D
Super Member
Why do I need a wiim if I have streaming on my laptop$10,000. For that amount, I will come to your house, install everything to your satisfaction, and hand you a controller for the streamer.
Seriously, though, what is your budget?
For about $100 you can buy a Wiim from Amazon and use your laptop (if you have WiFi). For about another $100 you can buy a mobile device to control your music from your listening chair without using your laptop.
For about $15 you can buy a cable to connect the audio output on your computer to the Aux input on your preamp/receiver. But your computer will need to be within 6 to 10 feet of your equipment.
For about $115 you can buy a mobile device and cable to connect the mobile device directly to your equipment. This option needs WiFi but not your laptop.
You can certainly stream from a music website on your laptop and connect the audio/headphone jack to your preamp. But the sound quality will be marginal. Stereo 3.5mm to stereo RCA cable. That’s a cheap starting point.
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Morgan D
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I just fired up that old computer and it is just too weird and slow to mess with. The key board is German and I couldn't even find the ? button!! Thank you Swechsler But I will just have just go buy the wiimi and the i phone or tablet
For about $100 you can buy a Wiim from Amazon and use your laptop (if you have WiFi). For about another $100 you can buy a mobile device to control your music from your listening chair without using your laptop.
For about $15 you can buy a cable to connect the audio output on your computer to the Aux input on your preamp/receiver. But your computer will need to be within 6 to 10 feet of your equipment.
For about $115 you can buy a mobile device and cable to connect the mobile device directly to your equipment. This option needs WiFi but not your laptop.[/QUOTE]
OK I am now typing on the Samsung. It is a weird german key board and toooo slow
I have my PC hooked to a dac now without a streamer?
Morgan D
Super Member
I have my PC hooked up now to a dac without a streamer?
I have my PC hooked to a dac now without a streamer?
I don’t understand. The pc can stream, yes, if you are on a music source (Pandora for example). Connect the pc to dac (probably via USB) then dac to preamp. Now you’re streaming.
Morgan D
Super Member
I think that is sound advice!
Sound quality. Streamers deliver greatly improved sound vs the direct output from a computer.
Let's try this again.
You can get music from a streaming service - such as Amazon HD, Tidal, Spotify, etc) - using a PC, laptop, tablet, or phone. To do this, you download the appropriate app from the streaming service or Google Play or the Apple Store, depending upon what device you are using. The apps are free, and you use them to access the music library of the streaming service you are using.
Most streaming services offer a free trial. Just go to their website and sign up. They will provide instructions for downloading their app.
OK, so now you can stream to that device (assuming it is connected to the internet, either wired or wirelessly). But at this point, you can only play music using that device's analog output. This may be the speaker in the device, or its headphone output...which you can use for headphones or, with the right cable (headphone jack at one end, RCA jacks at the other) you can connect to your stereo...just like any other input (tuner, tape deck, etc). In this scenario, you are using the DAC in the device to convert the digital music sent by the streaming service to an analog signal. Obviously, your device will be tethered to the stereo system in this scenario.
While some devices have decent DACs built into them, generally the sound quality will be better if you use an external DAC. For PCs and mobile devices, you would connect via USB cable from the device to the external DAC, and via RCA interconnect cables from the external DAC to the stereo system. Now the digital music is bypassing the DAC in the device and instead going to the external DAC, where it is converted to analog. As should be obvious, the device is still tethered in this scenario.
The next alternative is to get a stand-alone streamer. This device interfaces to the streaming service in much the same way as using a computer or mobile device. Effectively, it is a special purpose computer for rendering media files. As when using a computer or mobile device, the streamer must be connected to the internet. This can be a hard-wired connection from your router, or via your home wireless network.
However, you need a way to control what you want the streamer to do (simply, to tell it what music you want to hear). The usual approach is to use a computer or mobile device to play this role. The control device will communicate with the streamer via your local network. In this scenario, the control device must be loaded with the streamer's control application (instead of the streaming service's app). Again, easy to do and free. So, for example, if you use a WiiM, the control device(s) would be loaded with the WiiM app. There are other performance benefits with using a dedicated streamer, but a big one is that you are no longer tethered to your stereo system.
Most streamers, including the WiiM (as far as I know) have a built in DAC. So, you can connect the streamer directly to your stereo. Alternatively, you can physically connect it to an external DAC, which in turn would be physically connected to your stereo system.
You can get music from a streaming service - such as Amazon HD, Tidal, Spotify, etc) - using a PC, laptop, tablet, or phone. To do this, you download the appropriate app from the streaming service or Google Play or the Apple Store, depending upon what device you are using. The apps are free, and you use them to access the music library of the streaming service you are using.
Most streaming services offer a free trial. Just go to their website and sign up. They will provide instructions for downloading their app.
OK, so now you can stream to that device (assuming it is connected to the internet, either wired or wirelessly). But at this point, you can only play music using that device's analog output. This may be the speaker in the device, or its headphone output...which you can use for headphones or, with the right cable (headphone jack at one end, RCA jacks at the other) you can connect to your stereo...just like any other input (tuner, tape deck, etc). In this scenario, you are using the DAC in the device to convert the digital music sent by the streaming service to an analog signal. Obviously, your device will be tethered to the stereo system in this scenario.
While some devices have decent DACs built into them, generally the sound quality will be better if you use an external DAC. For PCs and mobile devices, you would connect via USB cable from the device to the external DAC, and via RCA interconnect cables from the external DAC to the stereo system. Now the digital music is bypassing the DAC in the device and instead going to the external DAC, where it is converted to analog. As should be obvious, the device is still tethered in this scenario.
The next alternative is to get a stand-alone streamer. This device interfaces to the streaming service in much the same way as using a computer or mobile device. Effectively, it is a special purpose computer for rendering media files. As when using a computer or mobile device, the streamer must be connected to the internet. This can be a hard-wired connection from your router, or via your home wireless network.
However, you need a way to control what you want the streamer to do (simply, to tell it what music you want to hear). The usual approach is to use a computer or mobile device to play this role. The control device will communicate with the streamer via your local network. In this scenario, the control device must be loaded with the streamer's control application (instead of the streaming service's app). Again, easy to do and free. So, for example, if you use a WiiM, the control device(s) would be loaded with the WiiM app. There are other performance benefits with using a dedicated streamer, but a big one is that you are no longer tethered to your stereo system.
Most streamers, including the WiiM (as far as I know) have a built in DAC. So, you can connect the streamer directly to your stereo. Alternatively, you can physically connect it to an external DAC, which in turn would be physically connected to your stereo system.
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Morgan D
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I am to understand the main benefit is going wireless ? You can hook an external dac to anything that has digital outputs.
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