While it may be a minor factor, I doubt its a huge factor to do with Oppo stopping production of disc players ...
I suspect the pending Trade Tarrifs with China may have more to do with the final decision.
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I suspect the pending Trade Tarrifs with China may have more to do with the final decision.
Funny you should mention that. A couple of years ago, wifey wanted to do just that with some of our movie and recorded TV collection. I use MKV and Handbrake to rip and convert content to an Apple friendly format.
What I discovered is my media server supports video as well and decided to leverage that capability. We now have about 350 videos instantly accessible at home across multiple Roku players or for travel.
KrisM
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I'm on the fence about that.
I rip movies for travel with DVD Decrypter and squish 'em with Handbrake. I put them on those micro SD cards; one for kids movies, one for grown up movies, and one for music docs and such.
I also use bigger USB drives for movie storage and plug them into the smart TVs. I flip flop on bothering with putting them on the network.
And while I generally dislike dealing with Android, I do like it for this purpose while travelling. I just cannot be bothered to deal with getting movies onto my kid's ipad vs just swapping out SD cards.
It was a generalization/current example of where things are headed with media and how people see and want to use it. Hard media going away is exactly why Oppo is wrapping their model up. Headphone market did not help them either. Too crowded.
All of my music and video content fits on a single 2TB drive in my server and TVs already are network attached.
I have been ripping my kids movies for years so they had them to travel and I didn't have to worry about disc abuse. Now with the streaming services, disc are a thing of the past for kids. And I can watch a movie on my tablet with mostly no fuss. I understand the desire for hi rez audio and I think like the new blurays, concerts and the like with also have a streaming option and the content providers will push for more. Maybe Oppo will move towards providing a high end streaming player which seems to be difficult for the current players to get right. I would appreciate their desire to give the consumer a true high rez streamer which while not the concern of the majority of consumers is sorely needing in the marketplace at a mid level price IMO.
I'm still not sure who is pushing the overall agenda -
I'm not sure WE want hard media to go away, I rather think Sony/Fox/studios want hard media to go away
so they can just sell us again every time we want to play it/stream it.
But once they convince consumers to clean up their houses and just "license" media instead of owning it,
its a whole different model, just like Software changed into!
Either way, ending the market for disc players moves that agenda forward
I'm not sure WE want hard media to go away, I rather think Sony/Fox/studios want hard media to go away
so they can just sell us again every time we want to play it/stream it.
But once they convince consumers to clean up their houses and just "license" media instead of owning it,
its a whole different model, just like Software changed into!
Either way, ending the market for disc players moves that agenda forward
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But apparently Yamaha doesn't think so... It's not the fact that the Oppos play discs that is appealing to me as much as the aux HDMI input and ability to integrate with vintage gear. And unfortunately even the new high end Yamaha doesn't seem to have all of Oppo's features. The aux HDMI also allows you to not be limited to the player's built in streaming services which is a good call IMHO.
They will continue to round out the variety of gear they offer to help feed itself. Plus one area can help off-set another. But look for them to adapt as well. Too large a corporation for them to worry about Niche products and market for long, unless it is profitable of course.
KrisM
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Oh, you're lucky. My music HD is 2TB and is darn near full. Except for a few concert videos it's all music files.
My basement TV is network attached. The bedroom TV should be, but I still haven't gotten to it. For the last few years the cable box used the CAT5 line to that part of the house. My provider switched it up so the box is now wireless, freeing up that line, but the only thing we'd use it for is Netflix and the cable box already has an app for that.
Honestly, I sound like one of those people that doesn't want to bother ripping their CDs because they are happy with a streaming service. Just with video.
Thank you for the link. The Panasonic UB9000 looks interesting, however; I could not find any information that suggests it supports SACD or DVD-Audio.
Exactly the issue. Sony etc hates hard media because they can only sell it once (for the most part) and lose control over it.
In the end I don't worry too much about it as I don't feel too strong about the need to own hard copies of media/movies. Especially new offerings as frankly 95% of it sucks anyway.
Computer software is a great example. For many titles, the licensing thing is working out okay, especially the ones that used to be expensive. My AutoCAD is crazy expensive, but it is less now per year. I think Office for a yearly amount is fine. Not so much with Microsoft Project. Adobe's platforms are a great deal monthly.
SoCal Sam
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Oppo related in the sense that affordable can equate to audiophile...
I'm always on the look out for interesting DVD and Blu Ray players for the reasons you state. My reference CDP has always been my recently departed Sony XDP-XA7ES which I have always found to be nothing short of magical. I lucked into a Panasonic DVD-H1000 and compared the two and it was very close. Close enough that I could enjoy them equally which led me to let go of the Sony. I wasn't playing it much anyways and I let it go to a digital enthusiasts who I know will take excellent care. With the notion in mind that cutting edge improvement eventually filters down to the mainstream, I've been exploring cheapo Blu Ray players like the Sony BDP-S360. While not the right tool for the job (CD disk handling is a pain), the sound is credible and much better than my 1990 Yamaha CDX-1120. So yes, great sound (to me at least) can be found in inexpensive (on the used market) DVD and Blu Ray players.
Does it do SACD and DVD-A?
I was sad when Oppo dropped support of HDCD in the newer models (my non-bluray DV981HD does 'em, the BDP-93 did em - and the 103Darby does) -
but knowing HDCD is pretty much a dead technology since Microsoft bought out Pacific Microsonics in 2000 (and pretty much dropped it in 2005), thats moot. Both my players will play them
I have a number of SACDs - some 2 ch, some multichannel, I can play them either upstairs or downstairs
The sonics are really good on all the surround remasters I've gotten for Jethro Tull, Van Morrison, Caravan - even the Deluxe Edition CDs of Tommy, Quadrophenia, Moody Blues and more ...
... so hopefully the Oppos I have now will last a good while.
I was sad when Oppo dropped support of HDCD in the newer models (my non-bluray DV981HD does 'em, the BDP-93 did em - and the 103Darby does) -
but knowing HDCD is pretty much a dead technology since Microsoft bought out Pacific Microsonics in 2000 (and pretty much dropped it in 2005), thats moot. Both my players will play them
I have a number of SACDs - some 2 ch, some multichannel, I can play them either upstairs or downstairs
The sonics are really good on all the surround remasters I've gotten for Jethro Tull, Van Morrison, Caravan - even the Deluxe Edition CDs of Tommy, Quadrophenia, Moody Blues and more ...
... so hopefully the Oppos I have now will last a good while.
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guitarlvr
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hjames, I have to whole hart agree with you. I have a closet full of 49-100$ dvd CD players. They are not even close to my OPPO.
I use a cheap one in my bedroom the new 50-70$ do not even have a LED to tell that it is on let alone a display.
If one does not own a OPPO they would never know what a great player they are. Mine sounds as good as my McIntosh CD player.
But then again I have read on this thread how CDs are dead and streaming is the future I for one sure hope not. I happen to like the physical disc in hand either vinyl or CD. I like the books and band history that comes with many sets. I do not like paying the same price for nothing more then air.
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chef free
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My 105 replaced my pre amp.
It has a volume control, all the decoding/equalizer/speaker controls, so many digital inputs, a great DAC, 7.2 analog outputs, balanced stereo outputs, plays any disc, connects to the internet, it does whatever I want.
Some company needs to keep this technology going...
It has a volume control, all the decoding/equalizer/speaker controls, so many digital inputs, a great DAC, 7.2 analog outputs, balanced stereo outputs, plays any disc, connects to the internet, it does whatever I want.
Some company needs to keep this technology going...
You can do that too, another thing that makes Oppos great. If you don't need to integrate a radio tuner, turntable, tape deck, or any other non-HDMI sources, you can totally get rid of the receiver or preamp entirely and just have a stripped down system with an Oppo and a couple power amps. In fact I was running my 103 that way for a while until I ended up with a quad receiver.
SoCal Sam
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The DVD-H1000 and H2000 were high end DVD players from 2000-2001 so likely no on SACD and DVD-A. Not sure about the Sony. I do not see Oppo in my travels, just loose remote controls. People must hang on to them and for good reason.
soundboy
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I doubt it. Panasonic was a proponent of DVD-Audio and while the UB9000 will decode DSD, it will not accept SACD. That's like saying Sony would produces a DVD-Audio compatible machine. Wait....
