ambient
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Johnny Greenwood is a musical prodigy. Just listen to the full scale orchestral work he did for Paul Thomas Anderson's films-- no one Beatle has ever even hinted at that kind of musical ability in their solo work.
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Johnny Greenwood is a musical prodigy. Just listen to the full scale orchestral work he did for Paul Thomas Anderson's films-- no one Beatle has ever even hinted at that kind of musical ability in their solo work.
I'm still trying to "appreciate" Radiohead. I've got 3 of their albums, and still, for me, it is real spotty.
As for your Beatles analogy, while factually open to interpretation, I don't see any Radiohead song having the social impact of anything the Beatles did. They're by far the best of a bad lot, but throwing them up against the Beatles for me is a bit of a stretch. Just a little. Also, complexity is great, but doesn't in and of itself make something good. See all those 1980's shredders for examples of technically terrible music.
And making Pet Sounds now, even in the age of Pro Tools, would be challenging. Try doing it with 1965 era technology. :sigh:
With that said, the Radiohead songs I DO like (can't remember ANY of the names of the songs) I acknowledge that they are very complex, and very good.
ambient
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The Beatles' work has a ton of great arrangements-- it's just that George Martin wrote the vast majority of them. It would be interesting to see how the Beatles career would have changed without Martin.
As for Radiohead, I think there were much more original bands in the 1990's-- it wasn't till Kid A/Amnesiac that they became one of the greats. It had little to do with complexity, but rather, an infusion of great minimalist influences: krautrock (can, Neu!) and electronic music (Autechre, aphex twin).
As for social impact, it's apples to oranges. It's epically tougher to be relevant in the internet era when you have to compete with all of recorded music in the palm of your hand.
For better or worse, it's the same baby boomer critics that grew up with the Beatles that have had the most praise for radiohead over the last twenty years.
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All good points, and I agree wholeheartedly.
boatdrinks77
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Joe, how dare you criticize THe Doors !!! We are no longer friends. I will Immediately unfriend you on facebook. Dan
sxty8goats
Super Member
That pretty much sums up the topic and my feelings on Springsteen.
Any band that others love and you don't get is over rated in your mind. Case in point, I love Grohl's work with Foo Fighters, Solo and Nirvana. I respect his work ethic and generally think he is a good guy. I have friends who hate him. I also have friends that love Springsteen. To each their own. Except Cold Play. Screw those guys.
sxty8goats
Super Member
You got no reason. You are just like us, all men are brothers until they die.
Yea, I learned the lyrics as a kid and they stuck with me. The "Just like us" section does seem a cop out to say the song is OK. I think I remember reading at some point that he wrote it about racism.
rileykill
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True. Awful complex music does exist. I just don't think Radiohrad made any :scratch2:
Agree that Johnny is a musical prodigy. First and only time I have seen (live) a rock band incorporate Ondes Martenot on stage .....
FWIW Radiohead did have the melodic and emotional impact of the Beatles in my opinion. Maybe not on you, but yes on some of us. OK Computer gave me feelings. Anxiety, paranoia, despair and maybe a ray of sunshine bit of hope. All those emotions were fit for the period in which the album was released. For a minute there I lost myself.
I have yet to sit thru the entire album, tho it is one of the few cds I simply grabbed based on word of mouth. Some great tunes in there, no doubt.
I have to give my ears a break, and then give it the attention it deserves.
I'm suffering from exhaustion at the moment, don't want to listen to anything.
KeninDC
Hazy Cosmic Jive
Radiohead is rated perfectly. There are those who cannot contain their opinion on how musically revolutionary they are (this includes many critics). Then there are those who are tired of hearing about Radiohead and their amazing studio and live work and are still pissed that Radiohead became so popular with "Creep" even though they kind of liked "Creep" at the time, but kept mistaking Radiohead for that other band named Live that sang about lightning crashing.
These two camps balance each other out and make Radiohead perfectly rated. Insanely liked and irrationally despised.
These two camps balance each other out and make Radiohead perfectly rated. Insanely liked and irrationally despised.
Good writeup, Ken.
I'm having my ears assaulted by this older gent in our office who sits by my desk and will talk for HOURS ON END.
He's clocking in today at about 45 minutes of discussing his grandmother's squash, how he loved German Chawwcolate Cake (how he pronounces chocolate) and now is pontificating about Velveeta cheese. Food is his topic du jour.
I haven't replied in 45 minutes. This is my day at work.
I'm having my ears assaulted by this older gent in our office who sits by my desk and will talk for HOURS ON END.
He's clocking in today at about 45 minutes of discussing his grandmother's squash, how he loved German Chawwcolate Cake (how he pronounces chocolate) and now is pontificating about Velveeta cheese. Food is his topic du jour.
I haven't replied in 45 minutes. This is my day at work.
sxty8goats
Super Member
Personally I loved "Creep" and the rest of Pablo Honey. But they just didn't resonate with me with their work after Pablo Honey. I had very high expectations for the band and they went in a direction that I didn't expect or care for. Then I found Muse. Muse was everything I had hoped Radiohead would become and more.
To each their own.
PS: Never have liked 'Live' all that much and never once thought Radiohead sounded a thing like them...
gl1000honda3
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mhardy6647
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Led Zeppelin I, II and III and Physical Graffiti.
I don't think their others were over-rated. I do think the aforementioned were.
Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans. That, for me, is where Yes really jumped the shark and were subsequently swallowed whole by their own pretentiousness.
Most of Springsteen's stuff just leaves me shaking my head... but there are a few tunes and performances (e.g., the version of Thunder Road that opens that big 5-lp "live" collection from the 1980s) that are just incandescent.
I don't think their others were over-rated. I do think the aforementioned were.
Yes Tales from Topographic Oceans. That, for me, is where Yes really jumped the shark and were subsequently swallowed whole by their own pretentiousness.
Most of Springsteen's stuff just leaves me shaking my head... but there are a few tunes and performances (e.g., the version of Thunder Road that opens that big 5-lp "live" collection from the 1980s) that are just incandescent.
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KeninDC
Hazy Cosmic Jive
As mere mortals, who are we to question the awesomeness that is Led Zeppelin?
As for Yes' Tales, I have yet to make it through that morass. I've been told there are moments of genius, but I do not have the eternity to find them. I will note that Yes haters are a hardy bunch. I'd argue that prog haters are likely inspired in their enmity by Yes. I mean, does anyone really despise Tangerine Dream?
Bruce is Bruce and his fans are rabid. I find lots of his work overwrought, but the working class, "Jersey" Bruce tunes are a genre all to themselves and worthy of praise.
As for Yes' Tales, I have yet to make it through that morass. I've been told there are moments of genius, but I do not have the eternity to find them. I will note that Yes haters are a hardy bunch. I'd argue that prog haters are likely inspired in their enmity by Yes. I mean, does anyone really despise Tangerine Dream?
Bruce is Bruce and his fans are rabid. I find lots of his work overwrought, but the working class, "Jersey" Bruce tunes are a genre all to themselves and worthy of praise.
turbomustang
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they made the blues palatable to the masses
I find "I'm On Fire", cliche lyrics and all, to be 2 1/2 of the finest minutes I've ever heard.
Never tire of that tune.
Well I'm tall and I think he's some sort of Hollywood in-joke.
bluesky
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