star trek movie wscene with tubes and lp

[Treker]

Yeah, I saw the new ST movie last night too, and was wondering about the turntable and tubes. I think it was mostly a wink at modern culture, but it was interesting none the less.

But really? Turntables and vinyl in 300 years? In museums for sure, but in day to day use? Somehow, I don't think so.

BTW, the movie was really, really, good. Lots of homage paid to a past movie in the franchise (I won't say which one to avoid a spoiler) but with lots of twists and action to keep the masses entertained. Well worth the price of admission. Two thumbs up! Way up!

 

[Capt Odyssea]

My understanding is that the 8088 processor was used right up to the shuttle.
Robust, tried and true.

Tubes would shine without glass in the vacuum of space, isn't it a better vacuum than achieved here on earth?

 

[transmaster]

I Know people at JPL and I asked one of them why the Intel 386 CPU is one of their favorite processors for use in deep space probes. I was told it has to do with the density of the chip. A problem they experience is with magnetically charged particles. despite shielding they do get through and zip through the CPU. Because the 386 is less dense there is less of a chance for a charged particle to hit something that could cause disruption, or actual damage to the CPU. Take a modern Intel, or AMD CPU they are so densely packed a charged particle will hit something, and has a much, much higher chance of damaging the CPU.

 

[sxty8goats]

Yeah, I saw the new ST movie last night too, and was wondering about the turntable and tubes. I think it was mostly a wink at modern culture, but it was interesting none the less.

But really? Turntables and vinyl in 300 years? In museums for sure, but in day to day use? Somehow, I don't think so.

I think it fits just fine. Picard was a 'antique' collector as well. I recall a copy of a complete collection of Shakespeare's works and an antique blunderbuss type pistol. I can accept Kerk with a turntable. I think a starship captain would like a bit of ancient technology that is simple and useful/cool which also connects him to earth's history. Vinyl in 300 years may or may not be rare but it is the type of tech that has staying power to engineering types.

 

[BobinNJ]

Don't know about space gear, but tubes were used well into the 80's in Russian military gear; a prime example I can remember was the radar in the Mig-25, which at the time was considered better than anything the US had. At first thought, you would think that the Russians were well behind the West in their electronics, until it was realized that tubes are immune to the effects of EMP from a nuclear blast. Thats why we can still get new tubes from Russia, China and Eastern Europe; they never stopped making them because the military was still using them.

The start of the "space race" (late 50s) was the end of the "tube era" for all intents and purposes.

I do know SS must be "hardened" for space. Nasty radiation "out there". Now I wonder if tubes coud be "hardened".

OH....and people were NOT around when dinosaurs were either....

 

[JesusChrysler]

2 "girls".......? Sounds like a pedaphile to me......


-insert groan here-



Matt

 

[shelly_d]

Of course it was. That is when we got all that technology from the aliens that crashed at Roswell. Everybody knows that. You did not think it was a coincidence did you?

Roswell - 1947, First tansistor - 1947

Coincidence?

IMHO, I don't think tubes need any "hardening" as there are no junctions that can be damaged by radiation, HOWEVER, unless they can make tubes as small as transistors, as rugged, and low power consumption, I don't see them being used this way.

Something else comes to mind...

If a tube cracks in the vacuum of space, is the getter still silver AND does the tube still work? :scratch2:

Mark T.

Tubes can be made rugged. In WWII, the US invented and used proximity fuses for Artillery and Anti Aircraft shells that made them considerbly more effective then they were. If they can make tubes that can survive being shot from cannons and still work, it seems possible that they can be made rugged enough to survive a space shot lift off. As far as light and low power consumption, I think not. The heaters alone would drain the spacecraft batteries and tax the onboard power supplies for long duration missions.

Shelly_D

 

[rnorton]

I do know SS must be "hardened" for space. Nasty radiation "out there". Now I wonder if tubes coud be "hardened".

Tubes don't need hardening.

 

[ejman]

Yeah, I saw the new ST movie last night too, and was wondering about the turntable and tubes. I think it was mostly a wink at modern culture, but it was interesting none the less.

But really? Turntables and vinyl in 300 years? In museums for sure, but in day to day use? Somehow, I don't think so.

BTW, the movie was really, really, good. Lots of homage paid to a past movie in the franchise (I won't say which one to avoid a spoiler) but with lots of twists and action to keep the masses entertained. Well worth the price of admission. Two thumbs up! Way up!

Well, if you think about it vinyl is practically indestructible by normal aging processes i.e light, humidity, and normally experienced temperatures. Digital recordings on the other hand will probably be unreadable in a few decades- either the software won't be available or the medium will have deteriorated to an unreadable level. A lot of tapes recorded in the last 50 years or so are also disintegrating. What remains for a long long time is the printed word on acid free paper and....vinyl records.

 

[AnalogDigit]

I bet Kirk had Scotty hook up his system for him.

 

[Pandovski]

When you mention Star Trek and tubes I think of 7of9. She has very nice electronics.

This is her as Analog

And this is her Digital

Which one then? :scratch2:

 

[AnalogOnly]

The start of the "space race" (late 50s) was the end of the "tube era" for all intents and purposes.

I do know SS must be "hardened" for space. Nasty radiation "out there". Now I wonder if tubes coud be "hardened".

During the cold war the US captured a soviet MIG jet- They were amazed to find that the MIG's all had tube technology.
Then it occurred to "them" that tubes are not affected by a EMP (Electromagnetic pulse) from a nuke.

So yes...
Tube technology is hardened against a EMP strike.

Conclusion:
An EMP blast will not ruin Tube stereo's and MIG jets

 

[SOTA]

In "Wrath of Kahn" Bones gives Kirk reading glasses for his birthday (he's allergic to retinax) citing his fondness for antiques, hence the tube system and vinyl are a no brainer...geeeez:nerd:


J.R.

 

[RamblinE]

In "Wrath of Kahn" Bones gives Kirk reading glasses for his birthday (he's allergic to retinax) citing his fondness for antiques, hence the tube system and vinyl are a no brainer...geeeez:nerd:


J.R.

YOU WIN. /end thread.

Also. In a nutshell, so that the lay can understand, how can tubes resist EMPs? I find that incredibly interesting.

 

[johnr66]

Spock: [raising an eyebrow] In this zinc-plated, vacuum-tubed culture?

 

[derekva]

This is the turntable that was used...of course it is called, "The Bachelor":

http://www.audiowood.com/gallery/bachelor.html

No idea on the tube amp. Give the number of tubes and the visible lack of output transformers, I'm guessing an OTL...

-D

 

[Valveglow]

In the original series of Star Trek, there was an episode entitled "Edith Keeler must die" in which the crew returns to Earth in the past. Joan Collins played Edith Keeler. Spock was assembling a device that could show newspaper headlines with what looked like a tube amp.

Excerpted text below:

Spock: [looking down at his tricorder] Frustrating. Locked in here is the exact place and moment of his arrival, even the images of what he did. If only I could tie this tricorder in with the ship's computers for just a few moments.

Capt. Kirk: Couldn't you build some form of computer aid here?

Spock: [raising an eyebrow] In this zinc-plated, vacuum-tubed culture?

Capt. Kirk: [applying psychology on Mr. Spock] Yes, well, it would pose an extremely complex problem in logic, Mister Spock. Excuse me. I sometimes expect too much of you.

 

[drknstrmyknight]

Why wouldn't they be run outside?

Wouldn't need any glass.

Tube amps are great space heaters.

Made Me Smile!

 

[Ray Gianelli]

just seen new star trek into darkness ,there is a scene kirk ln bed with two girls
and music comes from tt with massice tubeamp
anyone notice ?

OK, let me see if I've got this straight. The scene shows a guy in bed with 2 girls and you're looking at the stereo?:screwy:

Just kidding, good catch!

 

[Treker]

In the original series of Star Trek, there was an episode entitled "Edith Keeler must die" in which the crew returns to Earth in the past. Joan Collins played Edith Keeler. Snip!

Actually, the episode was titled "City on the Edge of Forever." It is considered by many as the best ST-TOS episode ever made. It was written by science fiction author Harlan Ellison, and won the Hugo Award in 1968 for best Dramatic Presentation. Great stuff!