Magnolia Tom
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Kentucky Owl Rye.
11 year limited edition
11 year limited edition
What bourbon are you drinking today?
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allmanbros
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I bet Costco is their biggest customer and Barton does allow them to mention the 1792 name because the regular Barton 1792 is not a huge seller in the retail package bourbon sector...Barton is owned by Buffalo Trace, so they likely are using the Barton brands for private labelling sales...the mash bills being the same to me means there is something different elsewhere, probably how old the bourbon is...the price difference just seems too much to me for the bourbon to be the same...another factor could be that the distillery has over projected their needs for future sales and has an excess of inventory they need to move through hence the larger liter size and lower price...as I said, lots of smoke and mirrors in the spirits industry...also it is possible I could be wrong on all counts, wouldn't be the first time.
Bill S
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All I know is for $20 a liter, there's not much out there better.
Bill S
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Didn't do anything for me. The 21 was the worst. The 12 the best. 15 was so, so. For that money, you can keep it.
bob smog
Creebling at the Turntables
Should have written it “Grand Pappy”
In the hick town I grew up in this was known as “Pappy” LOL!
allmanbros
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Pappy is not for everybody and wouldn't be even if the price was standard fare...just curious, but what besides the price, don't you like about it?...seems as though you prefer a more robust, spicier, high rye flavor profile, in that case Pappy wouldn't be high on your list anyway...I'm with you though, the market driven prices are beyond my pocket book, particularly since there are several alternatives that fit my taste profile.
Bill S
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Didn't like the burn of the 21. I'm not a high rye guy if you define high as 20% and above. A nice 92 - 100 proof is right iny wheelhouse. I also love a double oak such as Woodford, Old Forester 1910. Bardstown is good as well. I generally don't pay much over $100 for what I like to drink. My friend has no problem paying a LOT more so I've sampled some expensive bourbons.
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Magnolia Tom
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Eagle Rare on the rocks
Bill S
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An absolute deal. I also love their Small Batch also distilled by Bartons. It's 1792 for half the price when they have it.
Finishing up the first bottle as I type this response.
Yes when there and they have any in stock.
A smart man will buy a few right then.
They don't last but a couple of hours once on the shelf.
whoaru99
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Bill S
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Nice. They don't last long in my house or in the store. I wish I knew when they will appear at my local Costco.
klamsoss
Be willing to fail and try again.
I've racked up a big collection of bottles lately, but without goign to the "only on holidays and my birthday" shelf, My regular is Woodford when I'm having a manhattan (most of the time) and I've got a nive Knob Creek single barrel select that I'm working on, as well as one of my value leaders: Russell's Reserve 10 year small batch. At $40 across the river in KY, it's really hard to beat. Refined, well aged, and nicely balanced. It's tough for me to spend money on anything up to about $75/bottle because that Russell's Reserve 10 is probably going to be more satisfying.
allmanbros
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There are indications that the bourbon craze of the past several years is fading...Brown Forman, parent company of Jack Daniels, just announced a layoff of 12% of their employees and a sell-off of their barrel company...numerous small craft distilleries have shut down recently, and trends are pointing towards younger drinkers moving to ready to drink cocktails, and/or marijuana, or total abstinence...there are about 14 million barrels aging in Kentucky alone right now, so a downward trend means there likely will be a glut of bourbon coming soon...bourbon sales decreased in 2023 and 2024, the first time in many years of back-to-back decreases...this doesn't bode well for those distilleries that have significantly over-produced as they will have bourbon to sell and no where to sell it...however for the consumer, it could mean prices will stabilize and likely some will decrease, some allocated bourbons (not all) will become more available, and some distillers may be forced to use older whiskey in a product that currently uses a younger bourbon that generates a particular profit margin...for example, Buffalo Trace is generally thought to be 8 years old (there is no age statement on BT) but with an excess of say 9-10 year old whiskey, they could use that in BT as long as it doesn't drastically alter the desired taste profile...the older whiskey adds to the cost, but a consumer price increase isn't likely in order to maintain a competitive category price point...so the profit margins decrease for the distilleries...it will be interersting to see how all this falls out.
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