Denon dp 80 vs yamaha gt 2000

[bimasta]

The 40 pound optional platter for the GT 2000 series:

Speaking of looks, it's worth having on its own...

 

[fiddlefye]

The 40 pound optional platter for the GT 2000 series:

That doesn't even need a table to go on to be fashionable!

 

[majick47]

If this was the world series of direct drive tables the score board is heavily weighted on the side of the Yamaha GT-2000.

 

[bimasta]

The GT 2000 is the Rita Hayworth of the turntable world. Gorgeous with talent out of the yin yang.

I I'm not going to beat around the bush. You are adding nothing worthwhile to this thread so just get lost.

Except the guy who called the GT 2000 "the Rita Hayworth of the turntable world". I'd hate for him to leave — he owns a Rita Hayworth, knows her inside and out — he has a great deal to add to this thread.

 

[MannyE]

When I wrote before that an opinion I trust said the DP 80 was very good. This person is a US expat who married a Japanese woman and settled in Japan to raise his family. With an interest in audio, sufficient means, and surrounded by all manner of delectable Japanese audio delights he made it his mission to buy all manner of sought after Japanese TOTL components. His passion was turntables. He basically said that the DP 80 was in the same class as the Technics SP 10 mk III. So if anyone here thinks that I have a low opinion of the DP80, I'm writing this to put the record straight.

Before we go any further, I would like all those who are posting on the subjects of looks, fashion, or any other criterion other than sound to come clean as to whether they have actually conducted listening sessions with a GT 2000. If they haven't: Stop being trolls. The class of the GT 2000 has nothing do with how it looks. Nothing at all. So I just want to ask all those who want to continue talking about the looks of a turntable to **** OFF. I'm not going to beat around the bush. You are adding nothing worthwhile to this thread so just get lost.

Contrary to the opinion of those who doubt that there is anything out there that can top their beloved competent quartz lock model, there are Direct Drive turntables which actually do sound better than run of the mill mass market offerings. If you haven't heard the better models but still want to trot out your ill informed opinion that they all should sound the same, all you are doing is generating internet noise, not information. Get some first hand experience with the TOTLs, then come back and add something useful to this discussion.

I would like to hear from anyone who actually has heard and compared the DP 80 with the GT 2000. Outside of Japan, that will be very few people.

Awesome. You can replace "GT 2000" with any audio component and this would remain an awesome post.

I had no idea the optional platter was so expensive. I'll keep an eye out as the time to pull the trigger nears.

 

[nailer]

Stop picking on the GT-2000 guys! It has the performance of a actress who won zero Oscars and was never even nominated.

That being said, word is it's an excellent integrated TT.

 

[nailer]

Awesome. You can replace "GT 2000" with any audio component and this would remain an awesome post.

I had no idea the optional platter was so expensive. I'll keep an eye out as the time to pull the trigger nears.

I'd get the table first, although that platter would make a cool looking coffee table ashtray or a gonzo paperweight.

 

[fiddlefye]

When I wrote before that an opinion I trust said the DP 80 was very good. This person is a US expat who married a Japanese woman and settled in Japan to raise his family. With an interest in audio, sufficient means, and surrounded by all manner of delectable Japanese audio delights he made it his mission to buy all manner of sought after Japanese TOTL components. His passion was turntables. He basically said that the DP 80 was in the same class as the Technics SP 10 mk III. So if anyone here thinks that I have a low opinion of the DP80, I'm writing this to put the record straight.

Before we go any further, I would like all those who are posting on the subjects of looks, fashion, or any other criterion other than sound to come clean as to whether they have actually conducted listening sessions with a GT 2000. If they haven't: Stop being trolls. The class of the GT 2000 has nothing do with how it looks. Nothing at all. I'm not going to beat around the bush. You are adding nothing worthwhile to this thread.

Contrary to the opinion of those who doubt that there is anything out there that can top their beloved competent quartz lock model, there are Direct Drive turntables which actually do sound better than run of the mill mass market offerings. If you haven't heard the better models but still want to trot out your ill informed opinion that they all should sound the same, all you are doing is generating internet noise, not information. Get some first hand experience with the TOTLs, then come back and add something useful to this discussion.

I would like to hear from anyone who actually has heard and compared the DP 80 with the GT 2000. Outside of Japan, that will be very few people.

I honestly don't think anyone was denigrating the GT-2000 for looking good, nor suggesting that their performance is of the very first order. I certainly was not! My point was that Yamaha did at the time make some smart marketing and styling decisions that would not have hurt sales. I have heard both the Yamaha and Denon, but not at the same time nor in the same system. I thought they both did a terrific job, but took two very different paths to solving the same problem. From an engineering standpoint I would be hard pressed to say one was particularly better than the other in terms of the drive itself. Yamaha did the better job in terms of producing an integrated system that not only worked beautifully, but looked the part as well. No trolling intended at all.

 

[Pio1980]

The 40 pound optional platter for the GT 2000 series:

 

[Pio1980]

WTF does this thing use for a thrust bearing to support that mass? Certainly not a Kingsbury oil film bearing, as in large scale Francis hydraulic generator turbine rotors.

 

[nailer]

Envy?

 

[Pio1980]

WTF does this thing use for a thrust bearing to support that mass? Certainly not a Kingsbury oil film bearing, as in large scale Francis hydraulic generator turbine rotors.

http://audio-heritage.jp/YAMAHA/player/gt-2000x.html

 

[jblnut]

I would say that so far majick47 is in the best position to comment on this topic, as he's heard my GT2000 a few times and he owns a DP-75. I'd also agree that once you get to a certain level, difference in the cartridge (and to a lesser extent the phono pre) will outweigh differences in the table.

I'd also say be careful buying multiple tables just to compare them. I did that hoping I'd be able to pick a winner, but never did. The one real risk that I will highlight is age of circuits and repair-ability. If my VPI tanks, it's a simple motor I can replace myself. If something goes wrong in the GT's motor drive board, I am SOL until I find a good tech or a parts unit, or both.

jblnut

 

[Pio1980]

More here.
http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-GT-2000x.html

 

[nailer]

Look back through this thread, see the instance where I mention a feature of the GT 2000 that confuses a poster(ie he was ignorant of it's existence). Later that same poster suggests that GT 2000 feature of which he was ignorant might make a paperweight or an ashtray. Blatant threadcrapping. Blatant trolling. No way does his input in this thread advance the understanding sought by the OP. I hope Totem that you have something to say to him also rather than just to me.

I was indeed confused because I didn't see what it had to do with the OP ? and I was well aware of the heavy platter option being an fan of Arkady's GT-2000 thread. Regarding my suggestion of uses for the heavy platter without a table, I thought they were funny. Lighten up dude.

I stand by my recommendation in post #5. Which pretty much acknowledges both are comparable tables.

 

[Pio1980]

This clouds the issue. There are many who incorrectly assume that because the 2000x had a uprated bearing spindle and housing, the 40 pound platter was only meant for that turntable. The GT 2000 was released in 1982. The 40 pound optional platter for the GT 2000 was released in 1982. The GT 2000x, with the uprated spindle and bearing housing was released in 1985. The 40 pound platter was able to be used on all of the GT 2000 models. Not just the GT 2000x.

My reservation on the thrust bearing still holds as that platter weighs around twice as much as many better to upper end ready to play turntables by itself.

 

[nailer]

My reservation on the thrust bearing still holds as that platter weighs around twice as much as many better to upper end ready to play turntables by itself.

The bearing was probably designed with the optional platter in mind.

 

[nailer]

I do things differently. I don't delete my posts, where they are in contention. I stand by what I post. If I have been wrong, I apologise and own my error. Nor do I tell the person to lighten up. The internet allows one to edit away one's trolling and take the context out of a discussion. Others obviously use deletion and editing when they don't want to take responsibility for threadcrapping.

I actually thought it was deleted because I only looked for it on page two because I thought I had posted it there, right below your platter picture post. You will notice that it never was deleted which is why I edited my post to delete my error about the post being deleted. Talk about threadcrapping!

Curious how envy plays in all of this though.

 

[Pio1980]

I had an AT vacuum platter from Lou Souther, just like the Yamaha option briefly on my 55-K, but left it off for several reasons, including concern for the thrust bearing.

 

[Pio1980]

The bearing was probably designed with the optional platter in mind.

The later bearing, probably. The early bearing looks inadequate to me.