one-eyed fatman
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To be Bourbon, it's got to be made in Kentucky, that other stuff is just swill...
rlwagoner said:I have looked at all the posts, . . . If it ain't from the Commonwealth it ain't bourbon . . .
Not exactly...There was once a van winkle special reserve lot B 12 year old, which was indeed made with Stizel-Weller bourbon, from which Pappy also derived, but now contains bourbon made at the Bernheim distillery in louisville. As for Weller 12 year old, that is now a Buffalo Trace product since they purchased the Weller labels from the former United Distilleries and Vintners (UDV). the Weller 12 did not exist during the brands stizel-Weller days.roseskunk said:want to know a secret? jw weller and van winkle is the same whiskey recipe, made by the same company. except that weller doesn't have the blessing of the vanwinkle family. vanwinkle is an orphan brand, meaning that it doesn't have it's own distillery. the only possible difference is that van winkle picks particular barrels to be labeled van winkle, but they all come from the same vat as weller, and weller is half the price. and neither is a single barrel. you'd be hard-pressed to pick between the two in a blind tasting. both weller and van winkle are wheated whiskeys, as is makers, old fitzgerald and 'rebel yell'. the wheat makes 'em a tad sweeter. and blanton's, van winkle, and jw weller are all made by the same distiller, buffalo trace. they also make a good vodka called "rain" which is distilled nearly twice as many times as stoli, at half the cost. one more thing while i'm drinking here, blantons is aged 6 1/2 years as i think woodford is, van winkle, aka weller is aged 12. woodford in my opinion comes in a nice bottle that you pay a heck of a lot for...blind tastings will save you a lot of money my friends. cheers!
Dusty Chalk said:My favourite bourbon? The kind that someone else is buying.![]()
TocoTamer said:For my Buck it's Jim Beam but what do I know I'm a Gin Drinker![]()
Dark or Clear it all Downs the same!
Rick

Kamakiri said:...Then one night I thought I could drink my brother under the table (a gin drinker too, this is back in my mid 20s). After 13 doubles, I decided that I was hungry and ate 3 Arbys roast beefs. Bad mistakeuke:
Not the same at all....similar flavor profiles, but the stitzel-weller distillery hasnt run since 1991.....buffalo trace does the deed for them now....The 12 year old and the 20 year old Pappy are all stitzel-weller bourbon. the distillery still exists, perhaps someone will crank it back up.....otherwise as of 2012 or so....nothing left to make pappy 20 yr from!roseskunk said:thanks bongo- wouldn't it be fun to do blind audio tests? i saw your other post...
i've had pappy as well and frankly i prefer the cheaper 12 year old to the more rare and more expensive 20's. they are the same whiskey as weller too, just sit around in a barrel a lot longer. btw, unlike wine, once it's in a bottle, whiskey stops aging. so that fifty year old royal crown will taste the same today as it did the day it was bottled.
for anyone interested, i'd highly recommend a trip to kentuck for the annual bourbon festival. there's also an amazing shaker community nearby if you have an interest in architecture. the only odd disappointment with ky is that you can buy bourbon cheaper in chicago than right at the distilleries...
Russellc said:Not the same at all....similar flavor profiles, but the stitzel-weller distillery hasnt run since 1991.....buffalo trace does the did for them now....The 12 year old and the 20 year old Pappy are all stitzel-weller bourbon.
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:scratch2: :scratch2:Been sipping eagle rare 17 yr old.....more clear now? there is a myth that weller 12 yr and pappy 12 year are the same. They are not. The distillery responsible for the pappy 12 year and the pappy 20 year old WAS called the stitzel-Weller distillery. Unfortunately, it ceased production in 1992. the weller name was bought by buffalo Trace. Buffalo Trace is the distillery responsible for not only Buffalo trace, but Blanton's, elmer T lee, and numerous others. do you not speak Boubonese? By 2012, there will be no more of this fine bourbon to age 20 years! They would be insane to put any of it in sub 20 dollar bottles like Weller 12 year. Who knows what Julian Van Winkle ( of Pappy fame) Will do for whiskey, I assume it lwill be sourced from buffalo trace, but who knows? at least I have 2 spare Pappy 20 year olds in the bunker!Grainger49 said:Russell, what have you been sipping? Were those English sentences?
Maybe it would read better if the elliptical sentences had precedents?
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