Prices.... Going Up!!!

[RobRoy]

That would be fine for the most part, except everyone has filters through which they view reality, life, news, etc. More than your brain, your filters determine what you believe, accept, agree or disagree with. What one person researches and perceives as factual and truth, another person of similar mental capacity dismisses as fake news because it doesn't fit their paradigm when its put up against their bias and filters.

The world is run by people of C average intelligence. For every average person you meet or talk to and think wow, they're really clueless, half of the people you know and meet are probably dumber. The problem isn't using your brain or reading more. For the most part, we're all pretty much the same in that regard, statistically speaking. Intelligence or lack of it follows a normal distribution curve with only slight variation within a std deviation. The problem isn't TV or people not using their brain. Can't get into it here tho.

Though I agree with your premise, you can't just say we're all hopeless. You have to start somewhere. Sadly, that "somewhere" is often personal experience. i.e. you have to burn your hand to realize you shouldn't put it in the fire. Intelligent people at least learn from someone else who stuck their finger in the fire.

Or escaped from the USSR. Listen to what they have to say. It's pretty enlightening.

But I think most of us are about to learn from personal experience.

 

[spicer]

I understand, and have no problem with bias. It's the intentional misleading, and often, outright lies that bother me.

Decades ago I read an article on how you could tell someone the absolute truth, and yet make them believe a lie. I've told it many times over the years, and everyone believed the lie. Until I told the rest of the story. It's all about what's said, how it's said and what's left out.

Yes... and unintentional misleading and unexamined bias, ignorance, does warrant some slack, but not lying, which covers intentional misleading. No slack at all. Liars lie and when direct lying serves no immediate purpose sensationalism is employed... often, usually, a combination of the two. Liars lie, lying is their main function.

 

[Alobar]

People are going to have to learn how to spot bad journalism (propaganda pieces) when they see it. Any story that lacks certain details, actual figures, but rather relies on vague innuendo is one sign that they are hiding something and possibly misdirecting the reader away from what's really happening. For instance, if people who have not had the jab in a particular community are driving spikes in CV hospitalizations, give the readers actual specific numbers as to whether or not they have had the shots. Don't just say its "largely" a bunch of "anti-vaxers" who are paying the price of their insolence. When any story in the press lacks these specific details, it is worthless really as it brings up more questions about the story. And any online story that lacks links to back up and prove its claims are also worthless, and yet they know that people will just keep mindlessly reading and NOT asking critical questions, but just accepting it as truth.

 

[RobRoy]

I understand, and have no problem with bias. It's the intentional misleading, and often, outright lies that bother me.

Decades ago I read an article on how you could tell someone the absolute truth, and yet make them believe a lie. I've told it many times over the years, and everyone believed the lie. Until I told the rest of the story. It's all about what's said, how it's said and what's left out.

Heh. My wife tells me that I lie to people by not giving them full information. To be clear, she's not complaining about me. She thinks it's pretty cool. It's a gift.

If I say to someone, "I could care less", I literally mean that I care a great deal. If I really don't care, I say "I couldn't care less". But since most people say it the wrong way, when I say it the same way most people do, people think I mean the opposite of what I actually said. I don't.

I used to watch the news and want to throw my shoe at the TV because as they give the raw facts they color it to cause the watcher to form an incorrect opinion. It's like the following imaginary headline: "Joe Blow endorses discredited position 'X'". But position X is not discredited. Rather, it is controversial and some think it is baloney, while others, with equal academic standing, think it is accurate. An unbiased headline would have been, "Joe Blow endorses position X". And there are places where you will see that sort of thing. They are just few and far between, and even those places will digress into the bias nonsense.

I actually learned about this in grade school, when US public schools seemed to be pretty good at teaching kids, back in the 60's. I've carried it forward with every story and headline I expose myself to.

 

[RobRoy]

Yes... and unintentional misleading and unexamined bias, ignorance, does warrant some slack, but not lying, which covers intentional misleading. No slack at all. Liars lie and when direct lying serves no immediate purpose sensationalism is employed... often, usually, a combination of the two. Liars lie, lying is their main function.

Who doesn't lie? What official lie count does it take for someone to be labelled a "liar"? And does it matter what I lied about? Which is worse, the customer that says the check is in the mail, when it isn't, or the customer that says he mowed his lawn yesterday, but he really didn't?

 

[spicer]

Who doesn't lie? What official lie count does it take for someone to be labelled a "liar"? And does it matter what I lied about? Which is worse, the customer that says the check is in the mail, when it isn't, or the customer that says he mowed his lawn yesterday, but he really didn't?

Well... kindly here, you just reduced the whole of it to the level of the mundane. It's not about the count, it is about the matter of the lie and the spirit behind it... lying from the heart and soul to matters of same. That is what I'm talking about. The news you know that affects matters of life and death... professional liars paid to lie.

 

[RobRoy]

Well... kindly here, you just reduced the whole of it to the level of the mundane. It's not about the count, it is about the matter of the lie and the spirit behind it... lying from the heart and soul to matters of same. That is what I'm talking about. The news you know that affects matters of life and death... professional liars paid to lie.

Yes, I think we're on the same page here. I just see all men as liars and the only question is, "to what degree". I also think some will lie at the drop of a hat while others see themselves as "moral" and will lie a lot less, but often when it "really counts".

But teenagers are the worst.

 

[rickb119]

Heh. My wife tells me that I lie to people by not giving them full information. To be clear, she's not complaining about me. She thinks it's pretty cool. It's a gift.

It's been said that "A half truth is a whole lie". Remind me to never buy anything from you.

If I say to someone, "I could care less", I literally mean that I care a great deal. If I really don't care, I say "I couldn't care less". But since most people say it the wrong way, when I say it the same way most people do, people think I mean the opposite of what I actually said. I don't.

You've actually just made my previous point of telling someone the absolute truth, and yet making them believe a lie. If you truly cared for someone, why would you ever lead them to believe that you didn't? Even if you then told them what you really meant, that's like cutting someone, then offering to bandage the wound.

 

[OBMG74]

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive"
Elmer Fudd
(actually, Sir Walter Scott)

 

[quaddriver]

back to prices....home depot 30 mins ago, thin wall drain pipe 4", 11.48 up a wee bit from the 4-something when I buried all the drains at this house 2 summers ago

 

[NH-MAN]

I will never understand why anything of strategic importance is connected to the interweb.

 

[zebra03]

lol what does that mean? they want more? funny thing is, I was up there last week BEFORE the hack and I saw 10 cents in marienville appear overnight.

They are usually pretty competitive , but lately , not so much .

 

[zebra03]

lets add a new one: paper freaking plates.

chutzpah (hootz-pah) n. 1) walmart getting $10 for 50 paper plates.

and with paper plates , chicken wings has went crazy as well .

 

[Bill Ferris]

News stories are often (usually? almost always?) molded, formed and shaped to fit an agenda. Truth be damned.

Yes !!

"Edited for content", as I was informed by a long time friend (who was told by his boss when he challenged him before reading over the air the prepared script) was employed in the radio broadcasting business (PBS) when I questioned him about the often times substantial differences between the mid eighties raw API/UPI news feed broadcasts that I saw daily, via intercepting the shortwave teletype broadcast to ships at sea compared to the networks/local stations broadcast stories of the same events, as they (the stations) received the same remote sourced raw news information as I did !

My faith in "all" news delivery system`s conveyancing the truth/facts became hyper questionable, which truth is non existent today, and I choose not to bother exposing myself with any of it. period....

 

[Bill S]

Though I agree with your premise, you can't just say we're all hopeless. You have to start somewhere. Sadly, that "somewhere" is often personal experience. i.e. you have to burn your hand to realize you shouldn't put it in the fire. Intelligent people at least learn from someone else who stuck their finger in the fire.

Or escaped from the USSR. Listen to what they have to say. It's pretty enlightening.

But I think most of us are about to learn from personal experience.

Except for Dunning-Krueger. Lots of keyboard experts out there posting **** they have no clue about. This is the problem. So easy to dismiss expertise and diminish the value of education and experience cuz, I read it somewhere on the internet.

 

[Alobar]

Yes !!

"Edited for content", as I was informed by a long time friend (who was told by his boss when he challenged him before reading over the air the prepared script) was employed in the radio broadcasting business (PBS) when I questioned him about the often times substantial differences between the mid eighties raw API/UPI news feed broadcasts that I saw daily, via intercepting the shortwave teletype broadcast to ships at sea compared to the networks/local stations broadcast stories of the same events, as they (the stations) received the same remote sourced raw news information as I did !

My faith in "all" news delivery system`s conveyancing the truth/facts became hyper questionable, which truth is non existent today, and I choose not to bother exposing myself with any of it. period....

I read the other day that there are only 2 countries in the world that allow Pharma to advertise on the media. New Zealand I think it was, and the USA. When they changed that law they unleashed a beast that now controls its master. IOW, the media is now their puppet, and the regulators are in their back pocket.

 

[Bill S]

I read the other day that there are only 2 countries in the world that allow Pharma to advertise on the media. New Zealand I think it was, and the USA. When they changed that law they unleashed a beast that now controls its master. IOW, the media is now their puppet

Its not only this. Medicine here isnt focused on prevention and wellness, it's focused on treating and prescribing. Who here is on a daily med that diet and exercise modification wouldn't reduce/eliminate the need for? We want a quick fix. Give me a pill to take. Cuts both ways.

 

[danrclem]

every american who has a work ethic, a sense of responsibility, pride, respect, law abiding, and individual drive for integrity and character.....knows EXACTLY what is going on, why, and who is driving this destruction.

There are no coincidences.

 

[grillebilly]

"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything & nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true."
— Hannah Arendt

 

[432HzBob]

Prices going up doesn't seem to affect anybody. I look around and see people driving 40-50k new vehicles, pulling a trailer just as expensive and with toys strapped to the roof, new electronics and gadgets in hand, million dollar homes, even for a hunting shack where I live. Prime rib on the BBQ and an $80 bottle of liquor. Far cry from what I remember seeing in the 1970's... Today, everyone seems rich and there's no such thing as saving up for something or delayed gratification.
I see rich people (or maxed out credit) everywhere I look!!!