Prices.... Going Up!!!

[grillebilly]

doesn't seem to affect anybody

To quote someone much smarter than I am, "that's the ecosystem you live in". Reality is quite different. I live in a very affluent area and I see exactly what you see. People around here are loaded. But I can drive 50 miles south and it's a different world. The term I hear used is "flyover country". I feel ya though, growing up there was no way an average person could afford a smart phone. My dad had good jobs and we never bought a new TV....come to think of it I never have either.

 

[Alobar]

Prices going up doesn't seem to affect anybody.

Going into debt never hurts anyone either, at least at first.

 

[432HzBob]

To quote someone much smarter than I am, "that's the ecosystem you live in". Reality is quite different. I live in a very affluent area and I see exactly what you see. People around here are loaded. But I can drive 50 miles south and it's a different world. The term I hear used is "flyover country". I feel ya though, growing up there was no way an average person could afford a smart phone. My dad had good jobs and we never bought a new TV....come to think of it I never have either.

Yes Grillebilly, I see by where you live you've seen both world too. I used to live out in the Carolina countryside. It wasn't grinding poverty but it was po-folks who seem to get by and always get things done.
Then I lived in DC for a year and saw how the other half lives. I decided in that year that nobody in that city can know what the rest of the country is like it's so delusionally out of touch.

 

[Alobar]

who is driving this destruction.

I'll take a stab at it. All the "free money" being handed out and no incentive to get businesses back working and hiring. It's a double whammy, and to stay on this course of lockdowns, and money for nothing, and it wont be long before inflation permanently locks the 99% down for good.

 

[grillebilly]

Yes Grillebilly, I see by where you live you've seen both world too. I used to live out in the Carolina countryside. It wasn't grinding poverty but it was po-folks who seem to get by and always get things done.
Then I lived in DC for a year and saw how the other half lives. I decided in that year that nobody in that city can know what the rest of the country is like it's so delusionally out of touch.

Hey Bob I am kinda touched you spent your 15,000 post responding to my reply

 

[432HzBob]

Hey Bob I am kinda touched you spent your 15,000 post responding to my reply

Never even knew. Don;t keep track of these things, but thanks for the cheer... I'll join ya and hoist a beer too

 

[quaddriver]

I will never understand why anything of strategic importance is connected to the interweb.

well how else can matthew broderick launch missles??!!??!!

 

[Beatnik]

I will never understand why anything of strategic importance is connected to the interweb.

You would think there would be a back up system, if one gets hacked a secondary system kicks in.

 

[quaddriver]

Yes... and unintentional misleading and unexamined bias, ignorance, does warrant some slack, but not lying, which covers intentional misleading. No slack at all. Liars lie and when direct lying serves no immediate purpose sensationalism is employed... often, usually, a combination of the two. Liars lie, lying is their main function.

true dat, and a real life anecdote I found out this weekend.

Last year during all the marching and shouting, someone thot it was a good idea to send an armed BLM march from somewhere out west, into rural pa, on the way to DC. blah blah blah. And as can be expected, cell cameras were on everywhere. on or around bedford pa, lots of words were exchanged then shots. The real story is, the son of a home owner fired 2 shots into the air when protesters moved on a house and business well off the road - for whatever reason. while he did not shoot AT them, armed BLM members returned fired and missed at which point the son shot on of the protesters with what appears to be bird shot. upon arrival of the cops it was discovered the shot person was a convicted drug dealer from wisconsin illegally possessing a firearm with which he used to shoot at the son, and of course, carried it illegally across quite a few state lines if you are up on your US geography. The son was charged also.

Now what the media said, was completely different - both on tv and in print. my nephew is the weekend news mgr at a local nbc and had both versions of the story on his desk and was ORDERED to produce the false one.

THAT, is the world we live in.

 

[NH-MAN]

You would think there would be a back up system, if one gets hacked a secondary system kicks in.

Stuff like this needs to more analog without connection to the web, I never got it I never will ,if I were President back then I would have mandated vital assets military ect would not be connected to it. I felt that way then and I still do. We would have developed a different way. God our electrical grid is and someone anywhere could take it down, its asinine.

 

[Mystic]

News stories are often (usually? almost always?) molded, formed and shaped to fit an agenda. Truth be damned.

Someone called it bringing reality closer to the ideal.

 

[Mystic]

Its not only this. Medicine here isnt focused on prevention and wellness, it's focused on treating and prescribing. Who here is on a daily med that diet and exercise modification wouldn't reduce/eliminate the need for? We want a quick fix. Give me a pill to take. Cuts both ways.

Ding ding ding -- moi! Now, I follow an exacting and (very) demanding workout regimen (powerlifting and sprints) that'd kill most Millennials - those Gen Y & Gen Z'ers ... but indeed I ingest, daily, a medication fo PTSD that - trust me -- y'all who knew up close & personal would beg me to keep taking.

 

[Mystic]

Prices going up doesn't seem to affect anybody. I look around and see people driving 40-50k new vehicles, pulling a trailer just as expensive and with toys strapped to the roof, new electronics and gadgets in hand, million dollar homes, even for a hunting shack where I live. Prime rib on the BBQ and an $80 bottle of liquor. Far cry from what I remember seeing in the 1970's... Today, everyone seems rich and there's no such thing as saving up for something or delayed gratification.
I see rich people (or maxed out credit) everywhere I look!!!

Stimulus stimulates, I reckon.

 

[Bill Ferris]

Ding ding ding -- moi! Now, I follow an exacting and (very) demanding workout regimen (powerlifting and sprints) that'd kill most Millennials - those Gen Y & Gen Z'ers ... but indeed I ingest, daily, a medication fo PTSD that - trust me -- y'all who knew up close & personal would beg me to keep taking.

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[Mystic]

You would think there would be a hack up system...

Fixed that for ya.

 

[RobRoy]

It's been said that "A half truth is a whole lie". Remind me to never buy anything from you.


You've actually just made my previous point of telling someone the absolute truth, and yet making them believe a lie. If you truly cared for someone, why would you ever lead them to believe that you didn't? Even if you then told them what you really meant, that's like cutting someone, then offering to bandage the wound.

I was a very good retail salesman back in the 70's and early 80's. In fact, on my very first retail gig, I came on to the team a month or so into a sales contest and barely lost. But my mantra was always, "they are not buying the product. They are buying you.". So trust was a biggie.

However, you are right to a degree, but only to a degree. There was only one customer in all those years that I "intentionally screwed", and it has haunted me to a degree my entire life since then. The first word out of the young couple's mouths was that they didn't trust salesmen. They were a responsible couple and had saved a long time to be able to pay cash for a VCR.

I gained their trust and sold them a Sanyo Beta VCR.

Meanwhile, when wireless remotes came out, we had a ton of top of the line RCA VCRs with wired remotes to dump. I would sell them by pointing out that you never lose the remote, you don't have to worry about batteries going dead and no matter where you point it, it works rock solid.

I was telling this story to my son in law who owns his own very successful company and afterward he looked at me and said, "I did not know wired remotes ever existed. I think I would prefer it to our wireless remotes." i.e. I sold him on wired remotes 40 years later.

But your comment about "a half truth is a whole lie" describes the current mainstream news outlets beautifully. A classic example is the Nick Sandmann case. I saw their reporting, and then I saw the raw video. They intentionally misled, using "partial" information, and paid the price.

This is why I don't trust the press any more. And I mean ALL outlets. I yank out the raw data and ignore the fluff. And sometimes its very difficult to get the raw data.

 

[quaddriver]

Ding ding ding -- moi! Now, I follow an exacting and (very) demanding workout regimen (powerlifting and sprints) that'd kill most Millennials - those Gen Y & Gen Z'ers ... but indeed I ingest, daily, a medication fo PTSD that - trust me -- y'all who knew up close & personal would beg me to keep taking.

so you are saying I should not invite you over for the wifes lasagna without due caution?

 

[RobRoy]

Except for Dunning-Krueger. Lots of keyboard experts out there posting **** they have no clue about. This is the problem. So easy to dismiss expertise and diminish the value of education and experience cuz, I read it somewhere on the internet.

Yep. I even saw a comedy video just yesterday about "winning internet arguments by using information you just looked up". I've been doing that literally for decades. It's one reason I enjoy scientific and political discussions, especially with people I disagree with. It forces me to back up my claims and beliefs.

I've caught myself on many occasions of being guilty of Dunning-Krueger myself. However, it happens less and less, and for two reasons: First, I'm careful to not be so "sure" about something I've really not studied much; second, I simply know more than I used to, thanks in part to what I've learned during these discussions and sometimes by getting my butt handed to me in an argument.

But I don't expect to be all-knowing until fiscal 2070. Sadly, I'll probably be dead by then.

 

[RobRoy]

It wasn't too long ago the price per barrel plummeted from around 100 a barrel to somewhere in the low twenties in a very short time... avoiding politics, etc., supply and demand is not setting price, 'they' struggle to keep the price up because oil is everywhere, plentiful. Peak oil was another ruse like the ozone hole and the impending ice age or the peace dividend, etc. .... This is so obvious one has to be willfully blind not to see it... boats of confusion.

Exactly. The price was being artificially inflated. One thing I find interesting is that right now sawmills are really raking in the bucks on some lumber. The price has gone up so much in some cases that they are making more money in profit while producing a lot less lumber. Would you rather produce 1000 board feet at a dollar a foot, or 500 board feet at $4 a foot? That is the sort of thing that is happening right now.

 

[RobRoy]

Some are getting pretty desperate:
Pumping gas into a grocery bag video