Warren is being uncooperative . Last fuel I got was from Delmont and Blawnox . Altoona pipeline is still in the picture too .
Prices.... Going Up!!!
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Those with an understanding of history and paying attention to what is actually going down are concerned. There need to be more of us.
But then, we are just seeing what I and a LOT of people paying attention last summer were expecting to happen now. Having seen this play out in our own lifetimes in the past is a big help.
This is just the beginning. With every passing day, more and more people will be "concerned" as this affects them personally. First in minor ways, then in serious ways.
I will avoid discussing the cause of this pending catastrophe as that violates forum rules (no political discussions). Rather, I'll just say that, whatever the cause, the boy scout motto is at play here: Be prepared.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana
RobRoy
It's just stuff - but fun
Another favorite: With age comes wisdom. But sometimes age comes alone.
The problem is, true history is not taught. As was said by a citizen of a well known world power, several decades ago, "The future is known. It's the past that's always changing".
RobRoy
It's just stuff - but fun
Especially now.
I dumped TV back in 1997 and have gotten all my news from print or the internet since then. This is why, on any issue heavily covered by modern major news sources, I pretty much disagree with everyone. As one guy asked, "have you ever been a party to a news story covered on the local TV news? How close to the reality of the situation was their coverage?" Inevitably, the answer was, "not very". In some cases, the answer was that they got it completely backward. The Nick Sandmann story comes to mind. I understand that kid is pretty rich now.
BTW, a lot of people consider internet info to be crap. Fact is, the internet is like books, but on steroids. You can get the best or the worst info there. You have to use your human mind to determine which you are consuming at any given time.
News stories are often (usually? almost always?) molded, formed and shaped to fit an agenda. Truth be damned.
im not arguing and blustering as you claim. I live LITERALLY, in the center of the birthplace of oil Period. whatever you learned down there, they learned from my neighbors, speaking of which, half are indy 'oil companys' as they have operating/producing oil and gas wells on property. they are generally blue collar non-college and can read the WSJ better than any of us. my own land is ex-north penn oil land sectioned off in the late 30's so as such I do not own my mineral rights, but the well that supplies my gas is on it. Point being, they know what they are doing. IF you ride ATV in the ANF on the legal trails (20 minute drive from the house), you go INTO one of the largest natural gas fields in the *world*. Stop and talk to the guys. They are not exploring anything. modern extraction methods have converted played wells into producing wells and our gas production in the US is only behind TX and we are #3 as a net energy exporter. 99% of our wells are drilled by people (mostly old guys) using a mack truck based rig and they do a dozen a week. In fact last summer I posted photos from the top driller in the tr country area blowing out my well (that he put in). Ergo... Im pretty sure they know how it works and where it comes from. Extraction costs are so cheap they built a compressor station in Pigeon PA, mostly liquefy it and mail it...to you. where it is STILL economically viable to sell. I stand on my position.
lol what does that mean? they want more? funny thing is, I was up there last week BEFORE the hack and I saw 10 cents in marienville appear overnight.
Gas shortages are showing up in my area because of the Colonial Pipeline hack. A few stations have run out and the media suggested that folks don't panic buy. My wife just got back from grocery shopping and said lines had formed at nearby gas stations 
RobRoy
It's just stuff - but fun
I think to cut them a "little" slack, their main function is to get readers/viewers/clicks. Frankly, to get the "real" story, it often takes going to "non-standard" sources. Everyone is biased, and that bias is always baked into the story to one degree or another.
Bill S
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That would be fine for the most part, except everyone has filters through which they view reality, life, news, etc. More than your brain, your filters determine what you believe, accept, agree or disagree with. What one person researches and perceives as factual and truth, another person of similar mental capacity dismisses as fake news because it doesn't fit their paradigm when its put up against their bias and filters.
The world is run by people of C average intelligence. For every average person you meet or talk to and think wow, they're really clueless, half of the people you know and meet are probably dumber. The problem isn't using your brain or reading more. For the most part, we're all pretty much the same in that regard, statistically speaking. Intelligence or lack of it follows a normal distribution curve with only slight variation within a std deviation. The problem isn't TV or people not using their brain. Can't get into it here tho.
spicer
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It wasn't too long ago the price per barrel plummeted from around 100 a barrel to somewhere in the low twenties in a very short time... avoiding politics, etc., supply and demand is not setting price, 'they' struggle to keep the price up because oil is everywhere, plentiful. Peak oil was another ruse like the ozone hole and the impending ice age or the peace dividend, etc. .... This is so obvious one has to be willfully blind not to see it... boats of confusion.
Im a french model...
I got all my big stuff and little stuff from ochs last summer when I redid the drains. It was up a BIT then. I went to get some more 2 weeks ago as my teenage slave is putting in a french drain by hand here and there was a capped limit on anything pvc....perf, flex, thinwall, sch 40, 80, and gray electrical. no oil, no chlorine = no pvc. they even have a limit on the blue plastic electrical work boxes
Those that cannot remember the past are put into old folks homes and fed baby food....
its off target but so true. since summer 1993, us and world contemporary history was taken out of the national curriculum standard and we have suffered for it. off hand, when we watch the tv and yell at the people behaving like nazis, they dont get it cuz they dont understand what one was. I was watching something on this 1619 horseshit - and I mean horseshit - they completely re-make up the past and there are mighty few to challenge them on it. we just pretend its all ok...if an old school teacher speaks up, leave of absence....
I have a 4th year college student on deans list (again) and a 7th grader and neither one really knows where when and why about the civil war. I woulda thunk this is almost our DUTY to study it. And sadly, the college kid went to washington cty Md schools which is located how many miles from antietam? I can count on the fingers of my 7th hand how many field trips to all the free stuff. shameful.
agreed, thats just it. . the refineries I mentioned to Mike are all NY/PA from NY/PA oil fields. Not one drop is sold nationally, and not one foreign drop is put into the refinery. So they do not participate in the world market AT ALL. Yet we pay world market prices. and if the market sneezes, our pumps do as well. Our extraction costs are almost fixed and our severance tax is almost nil. We could have basically fixed gas prices year after year...but we dont. Its a rip off and all you can do is practice deep bends to grab ankles.
Even the cost of pipe dreams has exploded.
Stay far away from any deviant with std.
I understand, and have no problem with bias. It's the intentional misleading, and often, outright lies that bother me.
Decades ago I read an article on how you could tell someone the absolute truth, and yet make them believe a lie. I've told it many times over the years, and everyone believed the lie. Until I told the rest of the story. It's all about what's said, how it's said and what's left out.
