Favorite Bourbon

[onepixel]

I helped a friend out this past week and he got my a bottle of Basil Hayden's.

mmm...

 

[Grainger49]

I don't care when it was posted in this thread, it isn't true.

I know for a fact that Virginia Gentleman is not made in Kentucky, is called Bourbon, and they're not making it illegally and packing it up here to Ohio in pickup trucks. I bought some not too long ago, so I can vouch for it myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_whiskey

And take special note of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Brooks It's "Kentucky Bourbon" that only sees Kentucky when it's shipped in and sold there.

And it says, "Kentucky Straight Bourbon" on the label. I'm betting it is made in Kentucky.

 

[stuartk]

But then again, you can buy Santory Scotch in Japan, "Don Jose" Scotch and Cognac in Mexico, and Champagne from California.

Others would disagree.

I don't think Suntory is actually sold as "Scotch." It's sold as malt whisky, if I remember.

 

[stuartk]

And it says, "Kentucky Straight Bourbon" on the label. I'm betting it is made in Kentucky.

You would assume that to be the case, but this isn't the first time I've heard that Ezra Brooks wasn't made in Kentucky.

 

[stuartk]

I think I used to drink Ole Possum Whiz. Out of a solo cup. Won't it 86 proof?

Is that like Old Panther Sweat?

I do agree that, no matter where it's made or what it's called, what counts is how it tastes.

 

[pmsummer]

I don't think Suntory is actually sold as "Scotch." It's sold as malt whisky, if I remember.

Off-mainland, you are correct. In Japan proper, I know it USED to be sold as Suntory Scotch Whisky.

 

[stuartk]

Off-mainland, you are correct. In Japan proper, I know it USED to be sold as Suntory Scotch Whisky.

That could be. The Japanese have some odd ideas about copyright (it doesn't apply to us, only to you iteki).

 

[pmsummer]

That could be. The Japanese have some odd ideas about copyright (it doesn't apply to us, only to you iteki).

Indeed. They feel the same way about certain types of "tariffs" too.

 

[Grainger49]

From the Virginia Gentleman's web site:

The company is located near the site where Elijah Craig, the inventor of bourbon whiskey, was born and raised. At that time, what would become the state of Kentucky was actually part of Virginia. Craig would eventually move west to Kentucky, leaving a legacy of bourbon whiskey in the Old Dominion.

What it says is that it was Virginia, then became Kentucky when Kentucky became a state. So, today, it is Kentucky.

 

[john_w]

From the Virginia Gentleman's web site:

The company is located near the site where Elijah Craig, the inventor of bourbon whiskey, was born and raised. At that time, what would become the state of Kentucky was actually part of Virginia. Craig would eventually move west to Kentucky, leaving a legacy of bourbon whiskey in the Old Dominion.

What it says is that it was Virginia, then became Kentucky when Kentucky became a state. So, today, it is Kentucky.

What's that?? According to the part I set in bold, apparently the company location is NOT in the part that became Kentucky - he moved there later. So the company is still in Virginia. At least that's how I read it.

 

[stuartk]

What's that?? According to the part I set in bold, apparently the company location is NOT in the part that became Kentucky - he moved there later. So the company is still in Virginia. At least that's how I read it.

It says Virginia on the bottle too. I noticed it because I had also thought that Bourbon meant Kentucky, so when I saw Virginia Gentleman and read the label, it stood out. I tried it specifically because it was non-Kentucky Bourbon.

 

[Russellc]

I don't care when it was posted in this thread, it isn't true.

I know for a fact that Virginia Gentleman is not made in Kentucky, is called Bourbon, and they're not making it illegally and packing it up here to Ohio in pickup trucks. I bought some not too long ago, so I can vouch for it myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_whiskey

And take special note of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Brooks It's "Kentucky Bourbon" that only sees Kentucky when it's shipped in and sold there.

Slow down there son, virginia gentleman is distilled and bottled in virginia, but not necessarily "made" there....The unfinished distillate for Virginia Gentleman is sourced from Buffalo Trace....which is in Kentucky.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Gentleman
Russellc

 

[stuartk]

Slow down there son, virginia gentleman is distilled and bottled in virginia, but not necessarily "made" there....The unfinished distillate for Virginia Gentleman is sourced from Buffalo Trace....which is in Kentucky.
See http://en.wikipedia.ord/wiki/Virginia_Gentleman
Russellc

Interesting. So they transport fermented mash from one place to another and then distill and bottle it?


Later: Evidently so, at least according to the entry in Wikipedia.

I guess it just shows that you can't trust the label on the bottle when it comes to liquor.

 

[pmsummer]

Interesting. So they transport fermented mash from one place to another and then distill and bottle it?

A fair number of wineries do a similar thing, especially while they are waiting for their vines to mature to production. They purchase crushed grape product from producers elsewhere (usually in California), and then ferment and bottle at their own vineyard in, say, Oklahoma.

 

[stuartk]

A fair number of wineries do a similar thing, especially while they are waiting for their vines to mature to production. They purchase crushed grape product from producers elsewhere (usually in California), and then ferment and bottle at their own vineyard in, say, Oklahoma.

I would have thought that hauling all that water around would make it uneconomical to do things like that, and it certainly does make it confusing when you go to buy the stuff. Do they label it as being a, for example, California wine if the grapes are from California?

 

[pmsummer]

I guess it just shows that you can't trust the label on the bottle when it comes to liquor.

In the USA/Canada and EU, if it says Cognac, it's from the Cognac region of France. Likewise Armagnac. Same for Scotch Whisky.

Of course, that's not taking black-market stuff from China, Russia, and Mexico into account. And I've even heard rumors that the stuff in a Coors can isn't really beer.

 

[pmsummer]

I would have thought that hauling all that water around would make it uneconomical to do things like that, and it certainly does make it confusing when you go to buy the stuff. Do they label it as being a, for example, California wine if the grapes are from California?

No, because it wasn't wine when it left Cali. But some will say "made with California grapes" or "made with Napa Valley grapes", but usually what I see is just a mention of the type(s) of grape(s) used, because they usually use a blend that may include grape product from South America.

 

[john_w]

So Virginia Gentleman is half made in Kentucky, then finished and bottled in Virginia. I guess that makes both sides right! (Or wrong, depending on your disposition.)

I've seen the "fresh mountain spring water" that Coors is made of. It looks great until it gets through the town of Golden on the way to the factory. I wouldn't necessarily want to drink from the source. :yuck:

Incidentally, Coors is actually the world's largest single-site brewer. But I believe it is bottled in several other parts of the country.

 

[stuartk]

So Virginia Gentleman is half made in Kentucky, then finished and bottled in Virginia. I guess that makes both sides right! (Or wrong, depending on your disposition.)

I just found this article that is really interesting.

http://www.ellenjaye.com/va_gentleman.htm

 

[Russellc]

I just found this article that is really interesting.

http://www.ellenjaye.com/va_gentleman.htm

Very interesting piece. That article explains the "Virginia Gentleman" story very well. Nice find.

Russellc