Pro-Ject Debut hum

[4-2-7]

So your Project table had issues? Which model was it?

I would not buy or recommed one as there is a ton of reports on Project not providing usable table. You might, Might have a 50/50% chance of getting one that works.

This is a very common reoccurring issue with new Project turntables that can be verified here on AK and a number of other audio sites by doing a search of past threads/posts. There may be a few rare exceptions as reported by a few AK members that got lucky with their example. Buyers are challenged by Project to DIY a known problem due to Projects poor design/parts quality. My advice return the Project for a refund forget about fixing it and take a serious look at the USA quality built U-Turn Orbit.

Quoted for truth.

But I would recommend the SOTA tables first.

 

[kermit z]

I would not buy or recommed one as there is a ton of reports on Project not providing usable table. You might, Might have a 50/50% chance of getting one that works.



But I would recommend the SOTA tables first.

Ah, as I thought

and th Sota tables, though are very nice are not in the same priceland as the other entry level tables.

Carry on

 

[4-2-7]

Ah, as I thought

and th Sota tables, though are very nice are not in the same priceland as the other entry level tables.

Carry on

You don't have to own a mechanical instrument that has overwhelming reports of function issues to post about that fact. This is not subjective sound quality we are talking about, unless you like the hum Project adds to the music. In that case enjoy.

SOTA Moonbeam is about $150-$200 more, I guess time, mods and an infirior product and in the end the issue is just masked is better than spending a few dollars more.

 

[majick47]

And by the time you have fixed/upgraded the Project and Rega you will have spent about the same money as you would for a Sota minus all the aggravation.

 

[kermit z]

Well guys, at 850 bones for the entry level Sota Moonbeam, that is hardly 150-200 from the 179 bucks of the U-Turn Orbit. But it's all good

 

[Dr Tinear]

... certain 100% of Rega budget turntables have few problems.

Aside from audible wow and flutter and a tendency to run fast, that is ...

 

[grottyash]

Doesn't seem to worry the vast majority of buyers. Also, running fast is hardly a Rega 'problem' - there are many turntables, mostly belt drive, that run slightly fast, they're built that way.

 

[Dr Tinear]

Doesn't seem to worry the vast majority of buyers. Also, running fast is hardly a Rega 'problem' - there are many turntables, mostly belt drive, that run slightly fast, they're built that way.

The fact that many belt-drive turntables run fast doesn't make speed error a correct design decision. It just means that Rega is not alone in getting it wrong. If I'm going to listen to (say) a symphony performed by George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra, I want to hear Szell's tuning and tempos as part of the musical presentation, not a distortion of both by a turntable that runs off speed.

 

[grottyash]

Exactly, so, as I said, it is hardly a Rega problem ....

 

[djoffe]

more info on Carbon Debut issues

http://theobjectiveturntable.com/ProjectDebutCarbon.html

 

[jasonsong86]

Just buy an SL1200.

 

[Dr Tinear]

Exactly, so, as I said, [running fast] is hardly a Rega problem ....

I think we're getting into semantics here. Speed error is a Rega problem, but the fact that a number of other belt-drive turntables also run fast means that it is not uniquely a Rega problem.

 

[Garven]

Just buy an SL1200.

At $1899 for NOS, they're not exactly in the same price range as a Debut.

Heck even piece-of-junk SL-1200 survivors of the DJ wars go for as much if not more than Debuts these days.

 

[jasonsong86]

At $1899 for NOS, they're not exactly in the same price range as a Debut.

Heck even piece-of-junk SL-1200 survivors of the DJ wars go for as much if not more than Debuts these days.

That's because a NOS SL1200 will have way better quality than the Debut for the price difference.
A used one if taken care of is still way better than the Debut.
I owned one and returned it week after.

 

[kermit z]

That's because a NOS SL1200 will have way better quality than the Debut for the price difference.
A used one if taken care of is still way better than the Debut.
I owned one and returned it week after.

Actually, the 1200 price skyrocketed after production stopped to that crazy price they are selling for. When in production, they were actually close to the entry level prices.

 

[grottyash]

I think we're getting into semantics here. Speed error is a Rega problem, but the fact that a number of other belt-drive turntables also run fast means that it is not uniquely a Rega problem.

Yes, so it is hardly a Rega problem. In fact, I doubt it is a problem at all - as you are well aware, the speed of musical performances changes on a day to day basis. At least the Regas, Systemdek, VPI, Linn etc are consistent in their speed.

 

[Dr Tinear]

Yes, so it is hardly a Rega problem. In fact, I doubt it is a problem at all - as you are well aware, the speed of musical performances changes on a day to day basis. At least the Regas, Systemdek, VPI, Linn etc are consistent in their speed.

John Marks, who writes "The Fifth Element" column for Stereophile, would most likely disagree with you. In his column #89, he retracted a Record To Die For recommendation because the SACD reissue he'd recommended was transferred off pitch -- approximately 1.5% fast. That shifted the A above middle C from 440 Hz to a very sharp 446.5 Hz and also accelerated the conductor's tempos. Marks felt that the speed error in the SACD transfer constituted a "tonal and interpretive misinterpretation of the music" that precluded an R2D4 recommendation.

Link to the full article: http://www.stereophile.com/content/fifth-element-89.

I'm having a hard time understanding how a music lover could accept a turntable that superimposed this type of tonal and interpretive distortion on every LP that graced its platter, especially since there are many turntables on the market that rotate at a consistent and accurate speed.

 

[Garven]

Actually, the 1200 price skyrocketed after production stopped to that crazy price they are selling for. When in production, they were actually close to the entry level prices.

Yes, and I really regret having paid attention to all the folks who said one should never go near one of those nasty direct-drive DJ turntables so I ended up sinking my hard-earned cash into Pro-Ject junk. I could have bought a nice new SL-1200 and been fine for the next 30 years or more.

 

[grottyash]

John Marks, who writes "The Fifth Element" column for Stereophile, would most likely disagree with you. In his column #89, he retracted a Record To Die For recommendation because the SACD reissue he'd recommended was transferred off pitch -- approximately 1.5% fast. That shifted the A above middle C from 440 Hz to a very sharp 446.5 Hz and also accelerated the conductor's tempos. Marks felt that the speed error in the SACD transfer constituted a "tonal and interpretive misinterpretation of the music" that precluded an R2D4 recommendation.

Link to the full article: http://www.stereophile.com/content/fifth-element-89.

I'm having a hard time understanding how a music lover could accept a turntable that superimposed this type of tonal and interpretive distortion on every LP that graced its platter, especially since there are many turntables on the market that rotate at a consistent and accurate speed.

You're an optimist. A small percentage, say no more than 2%, speed variation is pretty much the norm. Really, if you want accurate speed, you're talking digital, with the caveat you mention.

Like it or not, a small percentage speed increase is appealing to many, it makes for a fun, toe-tapping sound .

I should mention, by the way, that some Regas do allow for speed adjustment, whereas other makers, and I think a well known US manufacturer is one, do not.

 

[illini]

Link to the full article: http://www.stereophile.com/content/fifth-element-89.

Very interesting reading, thanks for the link.