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It's the new Milli Vanilli...
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No, that would make him human and that it isn't.
I read there are now sanitary products for computers.
at least milli vanilli were pretty
I don't remember people getting all that offended when it was discovered that the Monkees used session musicians for their first releases either, musta been the Davy Jones cute factor that saved em.....
From WIKI;
"The Monkees were originally a fictional band created for the NBC television sitcom The Monkees. Dolenz, Jones, Nesmith and Tork were cast to portray members of a band in the sitcom. Music credited to the Monkees appeared in the sitcom and was released on LPs and singles beginning in 1966, and the sitcom aired from 1966 to 1968. At first, the band members' musical contributions were primarily limited to lead vocals and the occasional composition, with the remaining music provided by professional songwriters and studio musicians."
The Spice Girls were a prefab band too, and, , , , well, , , , since all 5 were smokin hot in their own way
Also from WIKI;
"In the early 1990s, Bob Herbert and Chris Herbert, the father-and-son duo of Heart Management, decided to create a girl group to compete with the boy bands who dominated UK pop music at the time.[34] With the financier Chic Murphy, they envisioned an act comprising "five strikingly different girls"[35] who would each appeal to a different audience. In February 1994, Heart Management placed an advertisement in the trade paper The Stage asking for singers to audition for an all-female pop band at London's Danceworks studios."
Now, as to the AI band(s), I believe the most legitimate complaint "real" musicians have going for them is that AI is being taught to create music by being programmed with the influence of those real musician's sound(s). Think about it, how can a computer compose a "Country Western" song if it's never "heard" any (real) Country Western music? I'm not sure if "plagiarism" comes into play here but it does make sense that the computer is gonna have to hear at least some of the "real" music it's being asked to recreate if it's to know what it's being told (programmed) to put out.
The bottom line = the genie IS out of the bottle and ain't goin back in anytime soon, as long as there is a buck to be made by having computers VS real, living, paid musicians be the ones creating the catchy songs......
Appreciate the thought but few was chosen for the many that are in it. layers Chief, layers.Fixed it
Actually it surprisingly not that bad here for an audio forum. There are a few that say basically the same thing every post on any given subject. Don't even need to read their replies most of the time.
Well, the keyboard and mouse are exposed to nasty things and sometimes they are used after unsanitary activities. Sometimes a nose needs attention, you know.
It's good here.
drjohnnyfeva
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But all of those are sort of the reverse of Milli Vanilli...I don't remember people getting all that offended when it was discovered that the Monkees used session musicians for their first releases either, musta been the Davy Jones cute factor that saved em.....
From WIKI;
"The Monkees were originally a fictional band created for the NBC television sitcom The Monkees. Dolenz, Jones, Nesmith and Tork were cast to portray members of a band in the sitcom. Music credited to the Monkees appeared in the sitcom and was released on LPs and singles beginning in 1966, and the sitcom aired from 1966 to 1968. At first, the band members' musical contributions were primarily limited to lead vocals and the occasional composition, with the remaining music provided by professional songwriters and studio musicians."
The Spice Girls were a prefab band too, and, , , , well, , , , since all 5 were smokin hot in their own way
Also from WIKI;
"In the early 1990s, Bob Herbert and Chris Herbert, the father-and-son duo of Heart Management, decided to create a girl group to compete with the boy bands who dominated UK pop music at the time.[34] With the financier Chic Murphy, they envisioned an act comprising "five strikingly different girls"[35] who would each appeal to a different audience. In February 1994, Heart Management placed an advertisement in the trade paper The Stage asking for singers to audition for an all-female pop band at London's Danceworks studios."
Now, as to the AI band(s), I believe the most legitimate complaint "real" musicians have going for them is that AI is being taught to create music by being programmed with the influence of those real musician's sound(s). Think about it, how can a computer compose a "Country Western" song if it's never "heard" any (real) Country Western music? I'm not sure if "plagiarism" comes into play here but it does make sense that the computer is gonna have to hear at least some of the "real" music it's being asked to recreate if it's to know what it's being told (programmed) to put out.
The bottom line = the genie IS out of the bottle and ain't goin back in anytime soon, as long as there is a buck to be made by having computers VS real, living, paid musicians be the ones creating the catchy songs......
The others were fictional constructions where they were given actual musical performers and music to support them, where Milli Vanilli was a facade for the music. I sometimes imagine that the actual people that wrote and performed Milli Vanilli's music are the opposite of the, sort of appealing faces of the Monkees and the very appealing Spice girls. The Orcs of the music world found Milli Vanilli to deceive us. lol
Let me tell you a story about a man named Jed... well, Adam.
We had a tech at work who did a weekend gig at an Apple Store in Hollywood. His specialty was repairing laptops.
A customer came in and complained that the keyboard on his MacBook gets stuck. Adam (the tech) took the cover off, and what do you think he finds gooked all over the keys?
Yup. Dandruff. I guess the customer had severe eczema. Anyhow, Adam scoops up all the sticky flakes, sprays 5 gallons of Deoxit on the keys, puts it back together, and all was groovy again!
He quit that gig, soon afterwards.
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Either way, Things not being "quite what they seem" is nothing new in music.....
At least, as far as I can tell, the AI music releases have been identified as such from the get go, and haven't been falsely credited to actual humans
You know, there's Auto-tune for guitars. It really makes the instrument sound odd. Like it's disconnected from your hands (and any articulations). I imagine a singer prolly feels the same way.Either way, Things not being "quite what they seem" is nothing new in music.....
At least, as far as I can tell, the AI music releases have been identified as such from the get go, and haven't been falsely credited to actual humans
drjohnnyfeva
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Yes and no.Either way, Things not being "quite what they seem" is nothing new in music.....
At least, as far as I can tell, the AI music releases have been identified as such from the get go, and haven't been falsely credited to actual humans
The link I provided above doesn't really clearly state it until you get pretty deep in. And - altho I like the music, they sort of "trademark/copyright" it even tho it wasn't created by them, really... it was AI'd. Which talks more to Milli Vanilli. They may or may not have had a hand in the creation of the music they were attributed to, yet actual humans created it and actual humans definitely deceived us about its origin and performance. Marketing, took over from there with MV.
Agreed. There's nothing like new - human - created music. I can still experiment with the AI, but it still listens like elevator music.
drjohnnyfeva
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Never trust a guy named Boney M... lol
The dandruff keyboard. Wow.Let me tell you a story about a man named Jed... well, Adam.
We had a tech at work who did a weekend gig at an Apple Store in Hollywood. His specialty was repairing laptops.
A customer came in and complained that the keyboard on his MacBook gets stuck. Adam (the tech) took the cover off, and what do you think he finds gooked all over the keys?
Yup. Dandruff. I guess the customer had severe eczema. Anyhow, Adam scoops up all the sticky flakes, sprays 5 gallons of Deoxit on the keys, puts it back together, and all was groovy again!
He quit that gig, soon afterwards.
What happens if you like an AI band and then you want to go see them in concert? What will you see exactly? A computer hooked up to a speaker perhaps. And the computer is programmed to act like a band playing a concert... It just get so ridiculous. Or maybe they can put the computer inside a robot and the robot can run around on stage.
Frankly I think the people who have invested so much money in AI are trying to justify it by finding things to do with AI. Things that don't really need to be done and don't serve any purpose at all. Where is this all going? Who knows at this point in time.
Frankly I think the people who have invested so much money in AI are trying to justify it by finding things to do with AI. Things that don't really need to be done and don't serve any purpose at all. Where is this all going? Who knows at this point in time.
I definitely think that plagiarism could be a thing in regards to this. After all the computer didn't just create the music out of thin air. It had to hear and analyze other music. So at the very least it is just regurgitating what it learned from the other artists. Without hearing the other artists and taking something from them there would be no AI music...
However, figuring out who the machine plagiarized might be rather difficult. Especially if the algorithm was designed to take a little bit from a lot of different sources... Maybe we need a supercomputer to figure that all out... One machine to analyze another machine. Hell, who needs humans for anything these days...
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