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Well I have them currently raised about 8" from the ground, putting the tweeter just slightly above ear level.

What a difference in the overall balance of the speaker, quite surprising actually. I think they're a tad bit too high, but certainly this is an improvement over where they were before with the tweeters sitting about 30 degrees off axis.

I think now I am going to have to find a way to get these things up higher off the ground and make it look natural. Custom stands, maybe?
 
That's certainly worth a shot as well, it sure did work a treat for the 104/2s I had.

I had a similar outcome w/ tilting my 104/2s, though a bit scary, given the top-heavy configuration of these suckers. But they haven't tipped over. Yet.
 
If your seat is a bit on the close side to the 104/2, simply removing the rear feet while leaving the front ones in place and removing the grills opens them up quite a bit.
 
Heres my mint Kef 104aBs with stands.

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Just picked up a KEF R400b yesterday. I've got it integrated in the room and with the speakers reasonably well but have yet to fine tune.... I Have to say.. Initial impressions.. This is a VERY musical sub. 2 x 9" drivers set back to back and bolted together for force canceling. There are no ports on this sub and the cabinet has absolutely no vibrations due to this design (every force has an equal but opposite reaction). Added to this having bass coming out from each side really does fill the room. Another win for KEF, fantastic engineering and design through all there stuff. I'm pretty much a fanboy now.
 
Hi there, I'm planning to get a pair of reference bookshelf speakers, I'm eyeing KEF R300? Any thoughts? Weak points? Strong points? I also eyeing on Wharfedale Jade 3.
 
Just joined the club...... 105/3's (wish they were in walnut or some natural wood)

They are in need of a re-foam. No idea if they will be a keepers or flippers at this point. Too many speakers but I have to try them all!

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Hi there, I'm planning to get a pair of reference bookshelf speakers, I'm eyeing KEF R300? Any thoughts? Weak points? Strong points? I also eyeing on Wharfedale Jade 3.

The KEF R300's only weakish point is low bass. They put out energy there, but it doesn't have that last word in resolution (It is a bookshelf after all, I doubt any bookshelf with a 6.5" driver can do low bass with fantastic resolution).

I had chance to hear the R500s and they do it just slightly better, but not a huge difference. I've fully integrated my R300s with a R400B subwoofer.. This set up now does low bass INCREDIBLY well. I've retired the 12" and 10" subs I had in my room now. The bass lines are incredibly well defined due to the lack of ports (I bunged the ports on my R300). I'm of the opinion now that ports give you the weight and sound of bass, but they don't give you the same definition as drivers do. Even the bass Thay my 12" sub had was woolly, as it is ported. I'm sure there are ported designs out there that can do resolution but I'm sure they are of the far more expensive design than I was using with my previous sub.

As for the rest of the sound I haven't heard anything with more balance, more clarity and more resolution... that sounds as clean as these speakers do. I think it's a great bookshelf as it is 3 way design due to the extra room on the face thanks to the UNI-Q, and so the midrange and bass drivers aren't working too hard trying to cover too much of the frequency range like they do in other designs. If you combine this with the R400b subwoofer which is a dual 9" driver force canceling design, this combo works very well indeed as a 4 way system. There is almost zero cabinet vibrations on anything (I can't feel a thing when I put my hand on either the speaker or sub).

All in all I have a giant smile on my face every time I listen to these, I'd say if you had the room and the money to get the R500s... you should get those and down the line add in the R400b, I'd be willing to bet this combo is a little better than the R300s with the sub and better than the more expensive R900s without the sub. (I've not heard the R900s so it's a guess) But what I read is the R500s image the best out of that range due to the very narrow cabinet and I think they might give a bit better dynamic range over the r300s due to the larger cabinet and I know first hand the sub gives you some terrific low end. The R300s do throw a massive soundstage and image very well indeed. I can't comment on the Wharfedales.
 
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Excellent reply matteos.

I did some google searches and was tempted to post a thread questioning why most modern high end speakers drop off around 40 hz.

Checking b&w, KEF, and a few others I noticed that pretty much all their moder designs don't have much low bass.

In the search of absolute fidelity is it required that one must use dedicated subwoofers?

I have found a lot of difficulty successfully balancing a sub (pair of subs) in my system.
Perhaps it's easier with speakers that bottom out at 40hz?

I heard a pair of r300's being driven by a vintage marantz receiver and it kind of dropped my jaw. They sounded spectacular.... Far better than pretty much any speaker had a right to sound on a receiver (vintage or not). Honestly had me questioning my component investments but, I attribute some of the impressive qualities to the huge open space they were playing in.
 
Thankyou. They really do sound good. Kef have been knocking it out of the park for a while now. I don't think not being able to play the last octave is too big of a deal though.I think the advantage of getting bookshelf speakers or narrow towers like the r500 over the large more expensive full towers like the r 900s is that the smaller speakers with narrower baffles image better. Having subs means less stress on the amps and they are easier to integrate into the room. With bass a lot comes down to room nodes and peaks and nulls. Bellow 80hz becomes directionless and bass gets better if you have some options with placement. Bigger speakers though can be more dynamic. Its a trade off but the smaller speakers and sub are cheaper though.
 
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The KEF R300's only weakish point is low bass. They put out energy there, but it doesn't have that last word in resolution (It is a bookshelf after all, I doubt any bookshelf with a 6.5" driver can do low bass with fantastic resolution).

I had chance to hear the R500s and they do it just slightly better, but not a huge difference. I've fully integrated my R300s with a R400B subwoofer.. This set up now does low bass INCREDIBLY well. I've retired the 12" and 10" subs I had in my room now. The bass lines are incredibly well defined due to the lack of ports (I bunged the ports on my R300). I'm of the opinion now that ports give you the weight and sound of bass, but they don't give you the same definition as drivers do. Even the bass Thay my 12" sub had was woolly, as it is ported. I'm sure there are ported designs out there that can do resolution but I'm sure they are of the far more expensive design than I was using with my previous sub.

As for the rest of the sound I haven't heard anything with more balance, more clarity and more resolution... that sounds as clean as these speakers do. I think it's a great bookshelf as it is 3 way design due to the extra room on the face thanks to the UNI-Q, and so the midrange and bass drivers aren't working too hard trying to cover too much of the frequency range like they do in other designs. If you combine this with the R400b subwoofer which is a dual 9" driver force canceling design, this combo works very well indeed as a 4 way system. There is almost zero cabinet vibrations on anything (I can't feel a thing when I put my hand on either the speaker or sub).

All in all I have a giant smile on my face every time I listen to these, I'd say if you had the room and the money to get the R500s... you should get those and down the line add in the R400b, I'd be willing to bet this combo is a little better than the R300s with the sub and better than the more expensive R900s without the sub. (I've not heard the R900s so it's a guess) But what I read is the R500s image the best out of that range due to the very narrow cabinet and I think they might give a bit better dynamic range over the r300s due to the larger cabinet and I know first hand the sub gives you some terrific low end. The R300s do throw a massive soundstage and image very well indeed. I can't comment on the Wharfedales.

Thank you very much for your great experience sharing. Though I'm insist not to go for floorstander, and stick to bookshelf, hmm...let me search again
 
If you really want to go bookshelf, the R300s really are very good. The towers have a little more dynamic range and a little more bass definition, but there's not much in it and mated with a good sub there's almost nothing in it. Have a listen if you can. The things they do very well.. i.e midrange... There's nothing Ive heard that's equal. Having a coaxial driver is a big improvement in stereo effects and cohesion... If I were to upgrade my speakers it would be to more expensive KEFs (i.e the Reference one which is a very similar design to the R300s but better cabinets and slightly better components.. can't afford them mind you)... It's hard to go back to a separate midrange and tweeter after living with these.
 
If you really want to go bookshelf, the R300s really are very good. The towers have a little more dynamic range and a little more bass definition, but there's not much in it and mated with a good sub there's almost nothing in it. Have a listen if you can. The things they do very well.. i.e midrange... There's nothing Ive heard that's equal. Having a coaxial driver is a big improvement in stereo effects and cohesion... If I were to upgrade my speakers it would be to more expensive KEFs (i.e the Reference one which is a very similar design to the R300s but better cabinets and slightly better components.. can't afford them mind you)... It's hard to go back to a separate midrange and tweeter after living with these.

It seem I have no problem living with British sound most of the time, now that I know my prefered sound signature, so I just something less distortion, less coloration, noise, at higher volume, hmm distortion is a concern to me now, when playing some orchestra music with huge dynamics:D
 
Some beautiful kefs on show - loved the Corellis (sp?).
I've had Kef xq40's for a few years now and love them but do miss the flair and style of the elder statesmen of the brand.
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If your seat is a bit on the close side to the 104/2, simply removing the rear feet while leaving the front ones in place and removing the grills opens them up quite a bit.

Hey man, that trick worked. Thanks for the suggestion. :D
 
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