"Vinyls"

[illinoisteve]

Sorry, Seth. Kermit seems to be occupied with social-media on his L(ily)-Pad.

 

[NoTransistors]

Steve, that was a wonderful post.
Until I just looked it up, I actually thought that 'Kermit' was only the name of one famous frog. Turns out to also be a human name. Oh well, the name 'Seth' is almost as well unknown.

 

[r_deming]

Vinyls may be appropriate when referring to different types. Like virgin vinyl, recycled,etc. Much in the same way monies is used.

 

[classic carl]

I remember when cassettes first came out and my audiophile grandfather called them cassinettes. I thought that was funny coming from a guy whose only endeavor into tape was reel to reel.

BTW, this thread is much funnier than the last one I read about "vinyls". That one might have been closed because it became "vile and pernicious" to quote Frank Zappa.

 

[illinoisteve]

Steve, that was a wonderful post.
Until I just looked it up, I actually thought that 'Kermit' was only the name of one famous frog. Turns out to also be a human name. Oh well, the name 'Seth' is almost as well unknown.

When I was a kid in the 1950s, my family knew a guy named Kermit Kline. He had a photography studio. And he wasn't the least bit green.

As for Seth, there's Seth Thomas of timekeeping fame, Seth Eastman the documentary painter of expeditions into the American interior < http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/eastman_seth.html > , and friends of mine have a kid named Seth.

 

[illinoisteve]

Vinyl? I prefer chocolate.

 

[daza152]

I hate to be this guy. But referring to multiple records as "vinyls"? I understand that this is becoming commonplace, but man it's like nails on a chalkboard.

Agree 100% there is no such thing as vinyls, hey check out all my vinyl, as in look at the sheep , and look at my sheep, It stay singular never plural. IMHO of course, I'm no English teacher haha.

 

[bobins08]

While I understand that language evolves with the using culture, I lament the loss of useful and descriptive words due to ignorance. All too often I hear someone using the words f**k and s**t as noun, verb, adjective and modifier (frequently in the same sentence) because they have no idea how to speak otherwise. I've learned to use only small words at work because the current group of youngsters don't seem to have ever heard many words commonly in use even ten years ago. Speaking with them is like looking at a picture of only different shades of white. Bland and boring. Sometimes a guy will take great pains to describe an experience and I will then say, "There's a word for that." Usually they don't care.
Sadly, as I am exposed less and less to a common depth and breadth of vocabulary, I find that my own grows steadily less varied as well. I reread things I wrote twenty years ago and marvel at how well spoken I used to be, wondering where that guy went. There is probably a word for that.
Yes, language evolves. But is it always good? And is evolution through ignorance and laziness really necessary?

I share the same concerns and feelings. The vocabulary void can be traced to reading, or lack of it, in the schools today.

I raised three kids, all went to college and the youngest is graduating this May. I was astounded by the public school education. Reading books and writing papers was not stressed. Writing papers with spelling and grammatical errors was tolerated because of spell check.

Somehow they came through it. Times change. So when I hear young people call records vinyls I could care less.

 

[BilboBaggins]

And here we could start another debate... Styli would be considered more the scientific, or Latin plural of stylus. It has been more common to see the plural of stylus to be styluses in years past. Especially when it was related to a pencil or pen.. Only once I got on AK have I heard people call multiple needles Styli...

(BTW, both versions are correct)

How can Styluses be correct? Stylus is a latin word and the latin plural of stylus is styli. Latin is a dead language, and is no longer evolving. Now, if we decide to steal the latin and bastardize it into Styluses, then it is no longer latin nor English, but early 21 Century Cosmopolitan. Who knows what this will look like in another 50 years!

 

[BilboBaggins]

Is this statement from the top of your head, or from the bottom.
You should really get out more, and learn a few things outside of your province, Ontario, ehhhhh,,,

They don't speak French in the Ivory Coast, Belgium, and Switzerland, but they do, "dans la Côte d'Ivoire, la Belgique, et la Suisse"

By the way, you forgot to ask these countries,,,

Benin, Burkina, Burundi, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Congo, Congo, Democratic Republic of, Djibouti, Gabon, Guinea, Haiti, Luxembourg, Madagascar,
Mali, Monaco, Niger, Rwanda, Senegal, Seychelles, Togo, Vanuatu, Vietnam, and Canada.

Je m'excuse mon ami, mais j'ai grandi a Quebec, mon ex est francaise, et mes enfant sont francophones!

I lived through the FLQ crisis with soldiers stationed at all the high end houses in my area and I lived through the curfew. I lost big bucks on my house because of the instability of a potentially separate Quebec and the expense of a multitude of referendums, and decided if I wanted to retire, I had better get out while the getting was good. Mais mon coeur est encore la. C'est triste!

I thought I would cater to the majority of the population on AK by Anglicizing it, but I see there are police here as well. This is also tongue in cheek, since I find it ironic that Quebec wants to preserve an archaic language, and I don't mean French, but the version spoken here. BTW, I am right on the border and my girlfriend lives in Hull. I have actually spoken to French from France, I worked with a couple from Belgium, and known people from Switzerland, and that is exactly what they do say about our french. Although perhaps I might better say my spoken french, which is of course coming from someone whose first language is english. I never did talk to anyone from La Cote d'Ivoire though, which is why I worded it as I did. I also spent time in Port au Prince and spoke French almost all the time I was there.

My god, I am getting as irascible as some others here!

 

[daza152]

Je m'excuse mon ami, mais j'ai grandi a Quebec, mon ex est francaise, et mes enfant sont francophones!

I lived through the FLQ crisis with soldiers stationed at all the high end houses in my area and I lived through the curfew. I lost big bucks on my house because of the instability of a potentially separate Quebec and the expense of a multitude of referendums, and decided if I wanted to retire, I had better get out while the getting was good. Mais mon coeur est encore la. C'est triste!

I thought I would cater to the majority of the population on AK by Anglicizing it, but I see there are police here as well. This is also tongue in cheek, since I find it ironic that Quebec wants to preserve an archaic language, and I don't mean French, but the version spoken here. BTW, I am right on the border and my girlfriend lives in Hull. I have actually spoken to French from France, I worked with a couple from Belgium, and known people from Switzerland, and that is exactly what they do say about our french. Although perhaps I might better say my spoken french, which is of course coming from someone whose first language is english. I never did talk to anyone from La Cote d'Ivoire though, which is why I worded it as I did. I also spent time in Port au Prince and spoke French almost all the time I was there.

My god, I am getting as irascible as some others here!

wow.

 

[Mark B]

From Merriam-Webster:

Full Definition of ACRONYM

: a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism

 

[moinau]

Ton problème mon cher, c'est ton ex. Elle avait des idées farfelues, et même si elle était Française, son éducation était certainement à désirée.

Le français écrit et parlé au Québec n'est pas pas du tout archaïque, loin de là.
C'est vraiment dommage qu'un Canadien, un Québécois de souche, est de telles idées et pensées.

J'ai vécut en France, en Allemagne, et en Belgique nombreuses années, et je suis très bien placé pour pour te dire que tu as tout à fait tord d'écrire de telles contre-vérités.
Les Canadiens de souche françaises, n'ont pas du tout à être jaloux, ou bien d'avoir hontes de voyager à l'étranger et de parler leur langue.

Au sujet du terme (expression) "language police" c'est une invention de petites cervelles qui n'ont rien à faire que de lancer des insultes, et ne pas vouloir s'adapter à la majorité.

You opened a can of worm when you decided to insults people from Quebec. As a matter of fact, your behaviour is unacceptable. Remember, this forum has no place for politic, insults, and/or bigotry.

 

[neobop]

How can Styluses be correct? Stylus is a latin word and the latin plural of stylus is styli. Latin is a dead language, and is no longer evolving. Now, if we decide to steal the latin and bastardize it into Styluses, then it is no longer latin nor English, but early 21 Century Cosmopolitan. Who knows what this will look like in another 50 years!

Not exactly. The plural of stylus is styli, and styluses is an alternate plural.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylus

Language is determined by usage. It just takes awhile for changes to be "officially" recognized. This is unfortunate IMO, in the case of vinyls which should be records or LP's. Wadda ya gonna do? At least they're making records again and people are buying records and record players. I'll take that tradeoff even if the language makes me cringe.

neo

 

[GerardG]

While I understand that language evolves with the using culture, I lament the loss of useful and descriptive words due to ignorance. All too often I hear someone using the words f**k and s**t as noun, verb, adjective and modifier (frequently in the same sentence) because they have no idea how to speak otherwise. I've learned to use only small words at work because the current group of youngsters don't seem to have ever heard many words commonly in use even ten years ago. Speaking with them is like looking at a picture of only different shades of white. Bland and boring. Sometimes a guy will take great pains to describe an experience and I will then say, "There's a word for that." Usually they don't care.
Sadly, as I am exposed less and less to a common depth and breadth of vocabulary, I find that my own grows steadily less varied as well. I reread things I wrote twenty years ago and marvel at how well spoken I used to be, wondering where that guy went. There is probably a word for that.
Yes, language evolves. But is it always good? And is evolution through ignorance and laziness really necessary?

Exactly. :yes:

I actually heard two grade 7 students of mine say, "My PU's were PO'ed 'cuz I wore my new RBK's to the BK..." It took me several minutes to decipher what they were talking about.

Language does change and should change. However, the loss or inability to speak with clarity, precision, and concision is a true loss.

Whether the cause is the dumbing down of reading expectations or the result of Microsoft pigeon English used in text speak, the dominant form of writing used by most kids and young adults, is something each of us can decide. I'm sure most will develop the skills they need through education, need, and experience. I know I did.

The use of "vinyls" is cringe inducing but then again back in my long past youth I never got uptight about about such things and instead looked for far out new sounds to groove to. Oh wait...what did I just say?

Gerard

 

[McBru6177]

When I returned to vinyl several years ago, my three young kids in their amazement used the term "black CDs". They now call them "records" and my listening room is the "record room". Thank goodness they don't call it the "vinyls room".

However, they are still a bit mystified by the term "album".

 

[datafone]

We done, the less that word (not a word) is used.... the better :thmbsp:

 

[Tom Brennan]

Well since the gatekeepers of the hobby seem to have decided one shouldn't call a record a vinyl I reckon it's time to start doing so.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Ton problème mon cher, c'est ton ex. Elle avait des idées farfelues, et même si elle était Française, son éducation était certainement à désirée.

Le français écrit et parlé au Québec n'est pas pas du tout archaïque, loin de là.
C'est vraiment dommage qu'un Canadien, un Québécois de souche, est de telles idées et pensées.

J'ai vécut en France, en Allemagne, et en Belgique nombreuses années, et je suis très bien placé pour pour te dire que tu as tout à fait tord d'écrire de telles contre-vérités.
Les Canadiens de souche françaises, n'ont pas du tout à être jaloux, ou bien d'avoir hontes de voyager à l'étranger et de parler leur langue.

Au sujet du terme (expression) "language police" c'est une invention de petites cervelles qui n'ont rien à faire que de lancer des insultes, et ne pas vouloir s'adapter à la majorité.

You opened a can of worm when you decided to insults people from Quebec. As a matter of fact, your behaviour is unacceptable. Remember, this forum has no place for politic, insults, and/or bigotry.

I think my statement initially about language may have been worded a little poorly. However I am not, and never will be negative about Quebec or the people of Quebec. I had no intention to insult anyone. As I've said, my heart is still there. And my roots, ... what roots I have in a cultural melting pot.

My statement was in context with the discussion about language evolving, and I was drawing a parallel to something that I had observed. Perhaps that was in error or in poor taste, and I apologize for that.

This will be the last I discuss this on this forum, and if my words hadn't been quoted, I would remove them.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Not exactly. The plural of stylus is styli, and styluses is an alternate plural.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylus

Language is determined by usage. It just takes awhile for changes to be "officially" recognized. This is unfortunate IMO, in the case of vinyls which should be records or LP's. Wadda ya gonna do? At least they're making records again and people are buying records and record players. I'll take that tradeoff even if the language makes me cringe.

neo

I have to agree with you on that. And I am very happy that records are making a comeback. It is fun introducing a new generation to this hobby, and it all starts with records and turntables.