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Yamaha GT-2000 Turntable Social Group

others standards :) – in addition to the GT-2000L (which I have owned since Nov '17 timeframe), there’s a Pioneer PL-70Lii, Kenwood KP-9010, Denon D-59L, Micro DD-8 and a Technics SL-1200 .

Could you tell me the differences between the Kenwood and the Yamaha? I have the KD990 and am curious if there is an big difference?
 
I particularly like the L version with the walnut, it complements the stainless / silver components well with an impressive presence. ..

It's funny - I really don't like the 'L'! To me, it looks too much like 1970s teak and, on every 2000L I've seen, when the platter is removed, the plinth outside the covered area has faded to a different colour to that under the platter, which would irritate me. The GT-2000X is, of course, a completely different prospect...

Other than that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.I certainly love my GT-2000, even if it is only the fourth best deck I own... :D
 
Today i have an update on my GT2000 project.

The first picture shows an renovation of the plint. Damaged wood was taken away and all the wood was impregnated to be more strong again.All the edges where recontructed.

The last picture is impregnating the veneer for better showing the veneer lines and to make is ready for the high gloss finish

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Are you gonna veneer on top of that impregnated material or is that it? Nice work btw
 
It's funny - I really don't like the 'L'! To me, it looks too much like 1970s teak and, on every 2000L I've seen, when the platter is removed, the plinth outside the covered area has faded to a different colour to that under the platter, which would irritate me. The GT-2000X is, of course, a completely different prospect...

Other than that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.I certainly love my GT-2000, even if it is only the fourth best deck I own... :D

I'm glad you kept it. I thought I read somewhere you had sold some turntables and was worried you had let the GT 2000 go. It was your post regarding your impressions of the GT 2000 with Denon 103 that motivated me to give the 103 another try. So glad I did as it is proving very enjoyable indeed, even though it is not yet broken in.
 
The GT-2000X is, of course, a completely different prospect...
From what I understand the 2000X is the same walnut used on the L, just with a different finish and a coat of high gloss lacquer. Personally, growing up a house painter, wood refinisher and the last 30 years as a woodworker I am not fond of high gloss anything - makes a nice piece of wood look cheap for my eyes! :) Give me satin or hand-rubbed subtle gloss, sometimes even semi-gloss but never high gloss! Every time I see the X I furl the eyebrows a bit. For my taste it looks a little garish - but of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and YMMV applies more than ever!
 
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others standards :) – in addition to the GT-2000L (which I have owned since Nov '17 timeframe), there’s a Pioneer PL-70Lii, Kenwood KP-9010, Denon D-59L, Micro DD-8 and a Technics SL-1200 .

Could you tell me the differences between the Kenwood and the Yamaha? I have the KD990 and am curious if there is an big difference?
The KP-1100 / 9010 is next TT up the ladder from the KD / KP-990/7010. (all the slashes are because Kenwood changed the name midstream of both models and of course KD means it was sold in the US.)

You may also know KP-9010/1100 is Japanese market only, 100V and the KP-1100 is identical to the 9010 just a different model year.

Differences? The 990 also has the "spider" chassis (which is what makes these Kennys stand out), the same tonearm, the 9010 has a slightly heavier plinth, offers a "ring" around the platter, and for some reason is spec'd at 90Db S/N where the 990 is 80Db. Why the S/N difference at the technical level? I don't know. The 9010 sold for more retail, fetches much more on the used market, and most of the Japanese audiophiles / sales people I exchange with say go for the 9010. I really can't give you much more than that on this vs that..... I would also wonder how much you personally would hear audibly if blind-folded - I have never heard them side by side. They look very similar as you know - but again the S/N is rated higher on the 9010.

GT-2000L vs KP-9010? Again blindfolded :) ?..... bottom line the KP-9010 is a TT I like very much. It sounds very good with the AT-150MLX, AT-OC9ml/ii, AT-150Sa carts and a couple of others I threw at it. It is a very well engineered TT in the parts that matter - especially in the chassis and tonearm. As you know some run it naked, which is a testament to the chassis quality.

If I compared the two from the bullet criteria I provided for the GT-2000 above: for Aesthetics I would pick the GT-2000L, the Kenwood looks nice but the high gloss black piano finish although pleasing to some of course (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), looks a tad cheap-ish in this instance. The dustcover is definitely cheap - thin, scratches if you sneeze, the hinges are notoriously bad (just look how many for resale have busted up hinges, many - pay attention to that). One thing - note these also came in a rosewood finish too - much harder to find but much more appealing to my eye. YMMV.

Versatility - again the GT-2000L wins there - but for the range of cartridges the Kenwood plays it does them well. But I wouldn't mount a low compliance DL-102, 103 or SPU cartridge on the Kenwood.

Value add options / upgrades - again the 2000L wins there - not really sure of any upgrades to the Kenwood stock configuration like Yamaha offers tonearms, platters, YOP, etc

Power / torque - again 2000L - the Kenwood is no slouch for power but it's objective is finesse - which it achieves well. I wouldn't clean my LPs on a 9010, though I do it daily on the GT-2000 with little worry.

Build quality / durability - 2000L hands down. By a long shot. Durability - well that depends on the owner of course, lots of people have 9010's in great shape - if you take care of something it will last. BUT take a look at the used 9010 market - it is hard to find a good one where condition is solid on all parts. Many have beat up or damaged plinths (the gloss finish scratches and fades easy), damaged hinges (a notorious problem), also have cheap, thin and flimsy dust covers. A lot of that has to do with the way they are built. Build quality-wise - the 2000L is a tank and the Kenwood is more like a mid-priced sports car, with that spider chassis being its primary asset.

Sound Quality - they are both good. Like I mentioned the KP-9010 with a decent cartridge plays stunningly well.... I wonder how some would do on a blind A/B!!

In closing, this is a GT-2000 thread and of course many here are partial to the GT-2000 :) and in this case for the attributes of the TT I spelled out the GT-2000 is better, but in SQ lets just say the Kenwood series is a real sleeper and can sound very good. There is a reason for that 90 S/N rating and that spider chassis really works!
 
That is the final veneer it must be sealed and flat to get an mirror shine finish.
Well, on my new plinth, I’ve had to sand the cat var off 3 times now and start over, yes it’s a gloss. Allegedly I wasn’t spraying it thick enough? (4) mills is suggested as maximum cured thickness. How do you know what you wind up with without a meter of some sort? There isn’t much instruction from S W’s and even less on polishing.
 
The KP-1100 / 9010 is next TT up the ladder from the KD / KP-990/7010. (all the slashes are because Kenwood changed the name midstream of both models and of course KD means it was sold in the US.)

You may also know KP-9010/1100 is Japanese market only, 100V and the KP-1100 is identical to the 9010 just a different model year.

Differences? The 990 also has the "spider" chassis (which is what makes these Kennys stand out), the same tonearm, the 9010 has a slightly heavier plinth, offers a "ring" around the platter, and for some reason is spec'd at 90Db S/N where the 990 is 80Db. Why the S/N difference at the technical level? I don't know. The 9010 sold for more retail, fetches much more on the used market, and most of the Japanese audiophiles / sales people I exchange with say go for the 9010. I really can't give you much more than that on this vs that..... I would also wonder how much you personally would hear audibly if blind-folded - I have never heard them side by side. They look very similar as you know - but again the S/N is rated higher on the 9010.

GT-2000L vs KP-9010? Again blindfolded :) ?..... bottom line the KP-9010 is a TT I like very much. It sounds very good with the AT-150MLX, AT-OC9ml/ii, AT-150Sa carts and a couple of others I threw at it. It is a very well engineered TT in the parts that matter - especially in the chassis and tonearm. As you know some run it naked, which is a testament to the chassis quality.

If I compared the two from the bullet criteria I provided for the GT-2000 above: for Aesthetics I would pick the GT-2000L, the Kenwood looks nice but the high gloss black piano finish although pleasing to some of course (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), looks a tad cheap-ish in this instance. The dustcover is definitely cheap - thin, scratches if you sneeze, the hinges are notoriously bad (just look how many for resale have busted up hinges, many - pay attention to that). One thing - note these also came in a rosewood finish too - much harder to find but much more appealing to my eye. YMMV.

Versatility - again the GT-2000L wins there - but for the range of cartridges the Kenwood plays it does them well. But I wouldn't mount a low compliance DL-102, 103 or SPU cartridge on the Kenwood.

Value add options / upgrades - again the 2000L wins there - not really sure of any upgrades to the Kenwood stock configuration like Yamaha offers tonearms, platters, YOP, etc

Power / torque - again 2000L - the Kenwood is no slouch for power but it's objective is finesse - which it achieves well. I wouldn't clean my LPs on a 9010, though I do it daily on the GT-2000 with little worry.

Build quality / durability - 2000L hands down. By a long shot. Durability - well that depends on the owner of course, lots of people have 9010's in great shape - if you take care of something it will last. BUT take a look at the used 9010 market - it is hard to find a good one where condition is solid on all parts. Many have beat up or damaged plinths (the gloss finish scratches and fades easy), damaged hinges (a notorious problem), also have cheap, thin and flimsy dust covers. A lot of that has to do with the way they are built. Build quality-wise - the 2000L is a tank and the Kenwood is more like a mid-priced sports car, with that spider chassis being its primary asset.

Sound Quality - they are both good. Like I mentioned the KP-9010 with a decent cartridge plays stunningly well.... I wonder how some would do on a blind A/B!!

In closing, this is a GT-2000 thread and of course many here are partial to the GT-2000 :) and in this case for the attributes of the TT I spelled out the GT-2000 is better, but in SQ lets just say the Kenwood series is a real sleeper and can sound very good. There is a reason for that 90 S/N rating and that spider chassis really works!

Thanks again for your intensive explanation. I have an AT 33PTG II now but it looks like it that it is sold together with my Kenwood. What would be an good choice to buy back again. I can also opt to buy a brand new AT 33PTG II back? Price range must be the same?
 
From what I understand the 2000X is the same walnut used on the L, just with a different finish and a coat of high gloss lacquer. Personally, growing up a house painter, wood refinisher and the last 30 years as a woodworker I am not fond of high gloss anything - makes a nice piece of wood look cheap for my eyes! :) Give me satin or hand-rubbed subtle gloss, sometimes even semi-gloss but never high gloss! Every time I see the X I furl the eyebrows a bit. For my taste it looks a little garish - but of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and YMMV applies more than ever!

I'm not typically into gloss but the finish associated with the centennial system & 2000x really rings my bell. This Russian auctioneer took his NS-2000's to another universe:

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Those look like NS 10000s to me.
Some strange altered NS-2000 maybe since the brass color of the inner part of the mid and tweeter sure looks like the NSX-10000 but there is no NSX-10000 logo under the Yamaha text. Can anyone have the guts to alter a real set of the rare and expensive NSX-10000? None of the NS-2000 or NSX-10000 were sold with high gloss finish so obviously some modification by the owner. Anyway looks cool and I like it.
 
Those look like NS 10000s to me.

10000's don't have adjustable pots and the woofers have additional bolts. Plus from another angle there is the same 2000 bevel on the top front. It does look as though he swiped the mid and tweet covers from a pair of 10000's or possibly the whole drivers.
 
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Looks like a Kenrick Sound custom job.

Then there's of course this video where a guy completely recreates the GT emblem:

 
Some strange altered NS-2000 maybe since the brass color of the inner part of the mid and tweeter sure looks like the NSX-10000 but there is no NSX-10000 logo under the Yamaha text. Can anyone have the guts to alter a real set of the rare and expensive NSX-10000? None of the NS-2000 or NSX-10000 were sold with high gloss finish so obviously some modification by the owner. Anyway looks cool and I like it.

Whatever they are they'd look nice next to a GT with similar veneer. Those stands are gawgeous!
 
I’ve added some oak to my aftermarket yop-1 and built a riser for the table, not sure if I’ll use the riser though. I seen a consumer TT that had one from the factory and thought it looked nice at the time
 

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A further update of my GT2000 project. Allmost ready we are now at 14 layers of lacquer and 2 still to go for a mirror flat result. Then polishing it and get that nice mirror shine look. Also the base is ready. AFter that it can go to the technical department for installing the turntable electronics and then it is ready to enjoy.

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I’ve added some oak to my aftermarket yop-1 and built a riser for the table, not sure if I’ll use the riser though. I seen a consumer TT that had one from the factory and thought it looked nice at the time

Is that the Yop from an Russian person who builds them on request? How does it compare sonically to the standard powersupply?

Nice veneer by the way!
 
I don’t know where the yop was purchased or where it came from. I got it from a GT owner here on a trade. I can’t comment on sound quality as my table isn’t ready yet and won’t even be able to compare with the stock power supply cause I cut that out, bought it without a an arm also so can’t even comment on that either.
Is that the Yop from an Russian person who builds them on request? How does it compare sonically to the standard powersupply?

Nice veneer by the way!
 
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